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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I will never ever support Gabbard.  She is an apologist for one of the worst dictators and human rights violators in the modern world at the moment (perhaps only topped by NK and systematic re-education camps being run by the Chinese in their muslim areas.)

The Syrian revolution started as a peaceful protest movement within Syria, as had been occurring in most other countries during the Arab Spring.

Assad chose to respond violently to the peaceful, non-violent protests when they started drawing hundreds of thousands of peaceful protesters.  He used violence because he knew that he could not hold onto power otherwise.

Cynically, he also used torture, disappearance and mass execution.  Please see the numerous stories and documentations by Cesar - a police photographer who escaped  Syria with tons of documentation of Assad's torture regime.  Here is just one story about him -- https://www.goalglobal.org/stories/post/what-are-the-caesar-photographs.

Gabbard supports Assad and has met personally with him.  During last week's democratic debate, she repeatedly described the Syrian revolution as a "regime change war" started by the Americans.  Nothing could be further than the truth.  Syrian citizens wanted to change their own society and were met by the ruthless hand of a dictator who would maintain his own personally power by any means necessary (which includes not just torture but barrel bombs and the use of chemical weapons against civilians and the systematic bombing of civilian hospitals.)

That is why I hate her and will never vote for her.  She is either stupid or so cynical as to profit politically from association with a brutal dictator.  [/quote]

Look, just because the Syrians were repressed by Assad does not mean that the US invading is a good thing.  [/quote]

WTF?  The US has not "invaded" Syria, and the fact that Tulsi Gabbard implies so when she calls Syria a "regime change war" is part of the reason why I hate her and will never support her.

The Syrian people revolted agains the dictator Assad by the hundreds of thousands in many cities across Syria.  They were peacefully, non-violently protesting the Assad regime, not just Bashir but also his father, who had systematically and sometimes violently repressed the Syrian people for decades.

Assad chose to meet that protest with violence. He knew it was the only way to hold onto personal power, and he knew that if he lost power that he would probably end up in exile or in prison due to his corruption and responsibility for crimes.

Some people of Syria chose to resist.  Large swathes of Syria become ungovernable by the Assad's government and out of his control.  As is common in a civil war, the opposition was unable to unite effectively under one unified military and governmental command and control.  In the chaos of the opposition, extremist groups like Nusra Front and ISIS and AQ-afilitated groups were able to seize power in small areas.  Yes, it was a mistake of the Obama administration not to confront, together with the international community, Assad earlier and more strongly over his use of chemical weapons against Syrian civilians.  Part of the difficulty was that Russia was blocking effective action in the Security Council because they hoped to gain influence in Syria, which provided them with a foothold in the Middle East they didn't have and access to a warm water port (Latakia) in the Mediterranean, which they also didn't have.

As it became clear that the chaos on the opposition side was allowing the groups like ISIS to flourish and gain more $$ and followers, Obama moved to support the Kurds by providing a limited number of US troops to assist Kurdish ground forces in the fight by providing targeting intelligence and air support and assistance with logistics.  The Kurds had an excellent military and governance structure which is non-sectarian, inclusive of women (i.e. both men and women are soldiers and full participants in military and civilian society).  In fact, in all of Iraq and Syria, the Kurds are the only effective governance organization which has any respect for human rights and equality.

The Kurds are the ones who are responsible for destroying ISIS, not Donald Trump, as he claims.  Kurds lost 11,000 soldiers in the fight against ISIS and another 30,000 wounded.  They essentially paid in their own blood to protect the US and Europe. That is why Gabbard's description of the Syrian war is so offensive.  And, that is why Donald Trump's betrayal of the Kurds is so shameful.  He has cast this shame on the American people as well by making our military and government complicit in what will be the ethnic cleansing of the Kurds by the Turks in the past few weeks and coming months.  The Turks have clearly stated their intention to remove by force or exclusion all Kurds from a zone of Syria that the Turks intend to occupy.  The Turks have also indicated that in place of the Kurds, they will then resettle non-native refugees in formerly historically Kurdish areas.  This has been explicitly supported by Trump.  It will sow the seeds of conflict and instability for decades to come not only in the Middle East but also in Europe and the US (as ISIS resurges, having escaped from prisons, and likely allowed to flourish under Turkish and Russian areas/control.)

Gabbard and Trump are idiots of the same magnitude and their idiocy stains all Americans.  [/quote]

Thank you for this refresher PP. You changed my stance on this a bit. This is truly sad all around.[/quote]

PP, this rant was obviously propaganda. Don’t be a sucker for a horribly failed strategy.[/quote]

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