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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Oxbridge / caltech model is the best.

German model is good as well.

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Caltech is vulnerable to faked test scores.[/quote]

Oxbridge has no legacy preferences.  There's a reason Prince William went to St. Andrews. He would have never gotten in.[/quote]

Prince Charles did go to Cambridge and many believe it was not on merit.

The Oxbridge system is an escalator system.  You have to get into the right preschool to go to the right prep and boarding schools (e.g. Eton and Harrow) to have a much higher chance of going to Oxbridge.  These are private all the way, so extremely expensive.  60% at Oxford went to what would be called private schools in the U.S.  https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/oxford-university-cambridge-state-school-socially-inclusive-ethnicity-sunday-times-guide-david-lammy-a8551036.html [/quote]

Prince Charles is 70.  Things have changed in Britain since then, as evidenced by the fact that you see the rich and royal at schools other than Oxbridge. Not to say that the rich don’t have advantages and privileges, but Britain has moved beyond codified legacy preferences.  The US still embraces the inequality.[/quote]

I went to Oxbridge.  [b]At the undergraduate level you can't buy your way in.[/b] [/quote]

Perhaps not directly, but the percentage of private school (U.S. terminology) students at Oxbridge is significantly higher than top U.S. schools, despite the UK actually having a slightly lower percentage of students in private schools.  So sending your kid to those expensive private schools increases their odds.[/quote]

NP: This is all true but it's more of a systemic advantage rather than cheating. Most of the kids at top US colleges come from private or rich public schools. Same issue.[/quote]

Agreed, but private school advantage is more pronounced in UK.  There could be bribes in the UK process as well, but I have not heard any evidence.  I think biggest difference is that children of alumni and donors are not supposed to be given preference.[/quote]

[b]+1 No one said that rich kids from private schools don't get into Oxbridge.[/b] But they need to sit the same interviews with professors and A levels as other kids.   There's not really the culture of set asides for recruited athletes and big donors that exists in the US.   For LSE, there was a big fuss, when one of the richest men in the world made a donation, and then his kid didn't get in and tried to take his donation back.  There's no quid pro quo.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1385649/Mittal-reneged-on-LSE-pledge.html[/quote]

I posted on this thread and I was responding to the assertion that "you can't buy your way in".   I'd agree you can't do it directly, but the privileged enroll their kids in elite schools with the expectation that it will significantly increase their child's odds of admission and the numbers bear that out.  And at Oxbridge, the percentage of students coming from elite private schools is higher than it is for U.S. equivalents, despite the fact that the UK actually has a lower percentage of overall secondary school students in private school than the U.S.

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