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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]So is there one heaven for Christians and a different one for Jews, and Muslims and Hindus?  Isn't it bigotry to say there is only one way to heaven and it's through our guy and the rest of you are out of luck?  I think that's what the Pope was addressing. [/quote]

I don’t think bigotry means what you think it means.  Are Muslims bigoted because they don’t believe Christians go to Heaven?

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Really? Definition of bigotry
1 : obstinate or intolerant devotion to one's own opinions and prejudices : [/quote]

^ I think this is what you are with your communion with Jesus dogma, but the Pope, to his credit, was trying to disavow that viewpoint.[/quote]

It’s not my opinion, it’s Christian dogma, and the pope was only trying to put a gentler spin on it, but he didn’t really say salvation is for non-Christians.  I don’t really have an opinion on you or where you end up.

I’m sorry that’s so upsetting to you.  I would consider why you feel so strongly about the belief system of a religion you don’t believe in.  [b]I’ll ask again- are you also upset that you are not going to heaven under Islam?  Are Muslims also bigoted[/b]?[/quote]

I have no opinion on that, but the Muslims believe they can go to heaven and I think the Pope does as well.

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No, Muslims do not believe that non-Muslims go to heaven.  There is actually a lot of offensive rhetoric in Muslim countries about infidels.  Muslims also call the Muslim community around the world the “ummah”-isn’t that bigotry under your definition?  Isn’t it bigoted that the Muslim community specifically excludes non Muslims from their community?  Isn’t it bigoted that in Muslim countries non Muslims often have to follow a different set of civil laws, and in some cases are excluded from public office and the presidency?  Aren’t Muslims bigoted under your definition?

How about Jewish people referring to themselves as “chosen?”  Yowza, that sounds super bigoted to me.[/quote]

O.k., they're all bigoted to some degree then I guess, but none is more right than the others about getting into heaven.[/quote]

Why would a Christian believe that or care about your assertion at all?  You are trying to dilute the entire point of Christianity in order to serve your own entitlement issues.

And why are you so upset about Christianity but not having a panic attack on the others?  Islam is the world’s fastest growing religion, and its believers tend to be much more devout than Christians.  I’ll tell you what, my mother in law had a good friend and neighbor who is Muslim, and when MIL died this lady was VERY upset that her friend was doomed to hellfire.  It was simultaneously touching and offensive.  But it wasn’t bigoted because words mean things.  Or your definition of bigoted is so broad that it is virtually meaningless, I guess.[/quote]

Your anecdote does, however, bring up the question of why people believe in any religion that tells most of humanity it is doomed to hellfire (or at least limbo) because they don't believe a certain thing.  Even children born into the "wrong" faith who die before they can make their own decision of what they want to believe, yes those poor babies and children are condemned to a terrible eternity because they didn't know about and get to choose to accept the one true religion that could have given them a happy eternity.  Or what about someone born with severe mental disability who has no way of knowing about or choosing faith? Those people too apparently don't get to go to heaven if they aren't true believers (which they can't be because they don't have the mental faculty to be so, but hey too bad, so sad).

It's a sick way to think about a deity.  Or an immature one. [/quote]

You are sort of fixating on Hell, as are the other posters.  But Christianity is not about fixating on what happens after you die, it is about how to live, right now.  If you reject Jesus today, you are in limbo, today.  If you follow Jesus today, you can have Heaven on Earth, today.

Jesus was not walking around condemning people to Hell.  Jesus was giving the way to eternal life, and that way was through him.  He was not condemning people who did not believe in him.  On the contrary, he forgave the people who killed him.  What happens to nonbelievers after they die- why would a Christian know that?  We only have Jesus, we don't have options A B C and D, and if you don't believe in Jesus, again, why on Earth would you even care?[/quote]

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