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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]It won't matter what stupid, short sighted Trump voters think in regard to fracking, coal and domestic oil production in general soon. Solid state batteries promise 3 times the energy capacity that currently powers most electric cars (ie range of over 400 miles), weather protection from -50 to 150 degrees, non-combustibility, non-corrosive leaching like with liquid batteries, and minutes or seconds of required charging rather than hours. https://news.utexas.edu/2017/02/28/goodenough-introduces-new-battery-technology

Toyota has just noted they'll release a solid state battery car with two years, Volvo said their going all electric by 2019. We'll also start to see short trip autonomous electric driverless airplanes and cars soon. Basically, the writing is on the wall for oil. Of course you'll still see gas car for the next 20 years, but electric tech is ramping up so quickly every manufacturer wants a piece. You idiots who are all about drill baby drill just don't read enough. That's your problem. That and your support for an absolutely inept, toddler with a small hands complex.[/quote]

That's when you get my buy-in.  If I'm driving up to Cape Cod, for instance, I have no desire to spend hours at rest stops charging my car. Even at 15 minute charge per 200 miles now, there would have to be a hell of a large amount of charging stations. Even with no wait to charge, you are adding almost 3/4 hour to my trip, just to charge. I have a truck and can get up to the Cape by only filling the tank once along the way. [/quote]

Eventually you will go to a charging station to swap your battery out for a charged one, not sit there and charge your car.  That’s the model Tesla is working towards at least.[/quote]

I've heard that but the question is, who's doing it? In NJ, you can't pump your own gas. As a result, the lines are always long at the rest areas and it takes over 1/2 hour in line to get gas, due to slow worker performance. In addition? I'm relying on an attendant to change my battery properly and get back onto the road? Not sure how comfortable I am with that.[/quote]

Uh, ok?  You obviously have reservations about a technology that hasn’t even appeared yet.  Are you at a high level at one of these companies or something?  Because the world is going to move on without your approval.  You can buy gas cars for as long as they’re available.  [/quote]

My guess is you are mostly a city/burbs driver. Ever driven from LA to Phoenix where you are 90 miles between exits?  How about through parts of Utah, New Mexico or Texas?  Alaskan Highway drive?  No so convenient to charge now. [/quote]

Obviously electric cars are not great for long trips.  Most people do not have to drive more than 30 miles per day.  I grew up in a rural area and we could reach all the places we needed within 40 miles.  Which a car with a 240 mile range can handle.  My husband actually works in several sites throughout Maryland and is able to take the electric car to all of them.  It has saved us a lot in gas $$$.[/quote]

And see that's the problem here (and what I suspected). Most people ON THE EAST COAST don't have to drive more than 30 miles a day IF they live your sort of lifestyle. The WEST coast, Middle America, very different. Think outside your own experiences/lifestyles and you might begin to understand why the electric car is not yet a practical alternative for America. Even my very liberal husband says the technology and lifestyle has a long way to go before the technology can become relied-upon for the average individual.[/quote]

Yes, we understand. That is why electric cars are terribly unpopular in Oregon, Washington and California. If only those Western States had incentives and a charging infrastructure! If only there were hybrid alternatives, which combined the advantage of an electric engine with the ultility of gasoline! If only there existed some kind of service, where people could hire long-range cars for the three times a year they drove to Grandma's, instead of being forced to get 20mpg the entire year just so they could make it from SLC to Needles, CA. If only.

Thank you, light in the wilderness, for exposing tbis dilemma in such sharp relief. Obviously, we can only have electric OR gas-powered vehicles. Obviously, like you, who suffers driving your Ford Flex alone 98% of the time just to be able to ferry the soccer team once a month, we must all drive gas cars all the time, everywhere, so the ranchers in Butte don't feel left out.[/quote]

So your solution is for everyone to be forced to drive an electric car and hire long-range cars (perhaps they are on a budget and can't afford that expense?)

If I buy a Ford, it's going to be an F-150 or similar, though I'd consider a hybrid truck of any kind. Because, Skippy, I have a business where I need to be able to actually large objects in my vehicle. And your dismissal of the 'ranchers in Butte' shows your disdain for anyone who isn't like you. I'm going to say you are a liberal lawyer, or other type of professional, and most likely a federal worker or government contractor. Furthermore, you probably live in DC or MD, perhaps Arlington.

Your attempt at biting sarcasm also shows me you are unable to consider any other lifestyle than your own as even remotely worth pursuing. [/quote]

You have massive insecurity issues [b]about your blue collar labor, huh? [/b]My point was that there are options. Options for you and options for me. Now, most of your options are pathetic,[b] because you are a mean-spirited, whinging lowlife, but you can't blame cars for that.[/b] You should maybe take a hard look to your own garden and get that in order before you keep yammering on and on about liberals like a stuck pig in Deliverance.

You're out of your league and it's killing you inside, isn't it? And not out of your league because of your profession --my family is full of ranchers in places like Butte--ranchers, electricians, policemen, and professors. And my own job is not at all effete. Even you could probably manage to do it.

You're out of your league because you see the world in such stark dichotomy that anyone who doesn't nod and smile and agree with your mewling Constitution-babble is a heretic.

You must be a blast at Thanksgiving.[/quote]

Master's degree in computing, now entrepreneur. Thank you for playing. LOL.

Serious transference going on here. Throw out a bunch of insults and play victim as if you are being insulted.

So tell me? California? DC? Bethesda? Arlington?  :lol:  :lol: [/quote]

I am the initial pp you were responding to and I own an electric car and I think it is fabulous. It has nothing to do with my politics or my character or my education as it is just a freaking car. It saves us a lot of money. I guess you missed the part where I said that my husband drives all over the state of Maryland. I don’t know why you think that it would not work in the west coast. Not every car is going to meet every need. You can’t buy a compact car if you need a truck. That doesn’t really mean that compact cars don’t work for their intended purpose, or that they will not continue to improve. An electric car does not work if you need to drive longer than its range. That’s it. Or (and this is how I know you don’t know much about electric cars) in areas where it is extremely, extremely cold for much of the year. An electric car has reduced range in extreme cold.

It’s dumb for conservatives to make this political because electric cars are awesome. They will proiferate with or without a subsidy.. How many losing positions do you need to take?[/quote]

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