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Then why one needs to take NNAT2? Utter waste of tax payers money!! Everything said here is parents speculation! For every argument there is exactly opposite example where AAP admission is granted![/quote]
NNAT is less culturally biased and is intended to detect gifted children who are not native English speakers.  [/quote]

Which means that a high/higher NNAT than Cogat is still in pool.  [/quote]

So, to go back to how the tests are weighted, it ends up being something like this (from what I can gather from the threads):

High NNAT, high Cogat, high GBRS - in pool
High NNAT, low-ish Cogat, high GBRS - in pool
High NNAT, low-ish Cogat, low GBRS - Wisc/Appeal
Low NNAT, HIGH Cogat, high GBRS - likely in pool/appeal 
Low NNAT, high cogat, low GBRS - appeal
Low NNAT, low cogat, high GBRS - WISC appeal

In all cases, the &quot;weight&quot; of the test is not mathematical. It's more like a decision tree.

If the child's NNAT is high, the decision is more likely that they will get in. If the child's NNAT is low, the Cogat has to be extremely high to compensate for the low NNAT, And even then, if you have a high cogat and a low GBRS, it raises red flags because it is more likely that the parents prepped.

The NNAT is really to measure intangibles early on in the testing round. The COGAT confirms. The GBRS is not testing but behavior based. This is super important-- the teachers are analyzing if your kid will be able to do the work involved in AAP. So even if your child is shy - if they are not self-starters in individual activities, they will struggle in AAP, and that's why a high GBRS helps. It's not whether or not you kid is smart, it's whether or not your kid can do things on their own.

And for the poster ranting about NNAT and taxpayer dollars: IMHO, having the NNAT is far less costly to our society than having a gifted student fall through the cracks due to losing the birth lottery.
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Correct! This is spot on![/quote]

+1.
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Agree with the concept, but a minor nitpick - shouldn't the possible outcomes  of the tree be accepted (or not) rather than in-pool?  &quot;In pool&quot; just means they are sent for screening, and is usually determined by a very cut-and-dried cutoff on the NNAT and/or Cogat.  GBRS doesn't affect whether you are in pool or not, but will affect whether the screened student (in pool or parent-referred) is found eligible for Level IV.[/quote]

OP of the original post: I was posting this for in-pool data as this is an in-pool thread. Whileas, the acceptance/appeal process has a totally different score range and metrics-- including parent referrals and WISC scores.

For those of you who have torn my above analysis over and over again, I think that maybe I should have clarified, it's from the 2017 thread:

High NNAT (above 132), high Cogat (&gt;132), high GBRS - in pool = accepted (Data: N/C/G 145//136/15 = in)
High NNAT, OK Cogat (125-132), high GBRS - in pool, high chance for acceptance, very little data to confirm or deny this but the next point indicates something to it.
High NNAT, OK Cogat, low GBRS &lt;12 - maybe in pool, but definitely prepare referral, get Wisc and Appeal (Data example:  N/C/G/W = 133/119/10/133 = in)
OK NNAT (110-130), HIGH Cogat, high GBRS - Most likely in pool, but sometimes you need to refer/appeal = tends to get in.
OK NNAT, high cogat, low GBRS - make referral, prepare to appeal, maybe with a WISC on a case by case basis
OK NNAT, OK cogat, high GBRS - You need to refer, and you will most likely need a WISC and appeal

For those of you who argue that I haven't read the GBRS- I have. My kids have scored 16/16 every time- which amazes me because  they come home and just want to play video games and stream something to watch. (They measure the ability to learn/memory/knowledge - application of knowledge with reasoning skills/strategies - Creative thinking/curiousity/humor - Motivation to succeed - leadership/independency in work and meets academic challenges/confidence. This is behavior and the ability to do the work independently). It's not something you can prep for. It's a behavior thing in class, which is different from home: whether or not they can apply knowledge and critical thinking and whether or not they can just sit down and do the work. For those of you who had different experiences with the GBRS: the teachers deal with a lot of kids every day and can tell and have told me so. And I've even heard that parents who complain about their kid's GBRS scores to teachers tend to NOT get in because they exhibit the behavior as parents that they don't want in the program because they have read the rating scale and don't see to comprehend the metrics therein.

As for the tree being a definitive answer: I wish I had a good answer for this. But overall score is definitely not it. The immediate in-pool and acceptance data shows extremely high scores overall. I have to wonder if some of the lower scores were referral packages and the appeal data seems to confirm this. But for those of you who were arguing that the NNAT isn't weighed as evenly- the data from the appeals indicates that a substantial NNAT/WISC score is indicative of entrance. You can have a high NNAT, low GBRS and low COGAT, and still get in if the WISC confirms the high NNAT.

For those of you still wondering what to do: submit your parent packages tomorrow. (referral, questionnaire, some kind of work). It appears that the more involved you are leads to a higher chance of getting in overall.

Hope that helps. 
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