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Recognizing that people lie isn't living in La La Land, Einstein.    It's a reality.  People will quietly vote for Trump.  And the ones to worry about are Inds who aren't voting third party.  [/quote]
If they are quietly voting for him then it shows that they are ashamed to do so.  [/quote]

maybe

But I think some are afraid of saying something, too, fearing that it would result in some ugly (verbal? physical?) confrontation.  My friend's husband said he was voting for Trump b/c he's sick of Dems killing off the middle class.

I don't think people are infatuated with Trump, but sometimes change - no matter how destructive it may be - is important in waking us up.  We may need to wake up soon b/c these are the worst candidates thus far.

Sometimes you have to fall down hard before you learn your lesson.[/quote]
Dems killing off the middle class?  :roll: 
This is the legacy of Fox News et al.[/quote]

He's tired of the taxes.  My mother's a senior citizen and she's tired of being penalized for having saved enough to keep her independent and healthy.  There's some truth to what they're saying. The middle class supports the poor and the rich - yet get no breaks.

Again, who will subsidize the state college/university tuition for those making $125K or less? the middle class of course

If this ever transpires, post-secondary institutions will have to rely on themselves, according to Hillary, and states will have to do their parts, she added, to help create a free ride for many people. So schools will have to shave programs to cut corners and raise tuition for those who CAN pay.

All the while, the rich can send their own to elite institutions that many on these boards brag about.

lose-lose for the MC

You can thank the Dems for that.  And that was my party for a long, long time.
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I am a progressive Dem, but you can thank BOTH parties for that.  Republican voters were so happy to get rid of unions when corps convinced them like idiots too.  What happened?  Wages went down and corporations made more profit.  Nothing for the American workers. [b] At the same time, Dems supported trade agreements that again made corps more profit and nothing for American workers.  [/b]

Don't put that on one party.  Corporations own both parties and Donald Trump owns a corporation.  What does that tell you?  Why would he push through trade legislation that is going to hurt his own company?[/quote]
Repubs like free trade more than Dems. More Repubs voted for NAFTA than Dems.   This is another bald face lie by Trump.

It was under Reagan that the NAFTA ball started rolling and manufacturing jobs started going down south.  Even Trump has admitted to that.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/05/09/history-lesson-more-republicans-than-democrats-supported-nafta/

"Bill Clinton was certainly a supporter of NAFTA who pushed approval through Congress. [b]But it was negotiated and signed by President George H.W. Bush.[/b] Moreover, more Republicans than Democrats voted for the deal, as the trade pact was vehemently opposed by labor unions. One key ally for Clinton was then-House Minority Whip (and later House speaker) Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.),..

In the House, NAFTA passed 234-200; 132 Republicans and 102 Democrats voted in favor of it. The Senate approved NAFTA 61-38, with the backing of 34 Republicans and 27 Democrats."

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/26/politics/donald-trump-when-america-was-great/index.html

Trump:  "As much as I liked Ronald Reagan, he started NAFTA,"

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