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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I’m an independent. I want to see a legit change candidate — but one whose idea of change involves a laser focus on what helps ordinary people. [/quote]

I know people will flip but what you describe already exists and has proven themselves capable and moral... AOC. [/quote]

She identifies as a democratic socialist, which is by definition progressive. I do not believe progressive approaches work because they are a reverse form of trumpism — a “I want what I want now so tear everything down for me to make it happen.” Incremental steps are needed to get long-term buy-in. Progressives hate that.

American progressives are to the left of European progressives on social and immigration issues. While they may be perceived as better than trump or even moderate Democrats on the international front, they are naive and therefore dangerous. Freedom is not free, so simply gutting the military is not a winning strategy. (Going to war like trump has done is also not winning.) Consider also how AOC handled questions about Venezuela and Taiwan. So nope, nope, nope on AOC.

-OP

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lol you have no clue.[/quote]

You think most independents want AOC? If so, you are the one who is clueless.[/quote]

She is strongly anti Israel and wants billionaires to be held to account. That is what independents are looking for in a candidate. Look at Trump. He is far more naive and much more leftist with his tariffs, planned economy, taking equity shares in private companies, farm subsidies, oil subsidies, etc.

It is you who are clueless. [/quote]

DP. I’m an independent and those are def NOT my top issues.

Restoration of American institutions and rule of law #1.

Marginalizing the extreme left and extreme right #2.[/quote]

Curious what you think an ‘extreme left’ position is? [/quote]

DP. Trans and Immigration sunk the Democrats in 2024. The perception of so many illegals getting more than our own citizens. I actually know how many of the fraud issues happened. Federal money controlled and doled out by the states, and in some cases there were states that didn't verify the stipulated accreditations in order to provide money to its immigrant populations that they want/need.

I believe this is why so many voters went Trump. The feeling that Dems have been disingenuous about saying that the GOP doesn't care about the American poor, when the dems only "seem" to care about the immigrant poor. Both sides have been captured by the extremes in their parties. Hence, many of us wanting an Independent. [/quote]

Ok I hear this. I don’t totally disagree. I’ll admit that I found Harris disappointing even though I voted for her. The ‘nothing different’ comment, it seemed like her grand idea for helping regular people was trying to prevent price gouging - such a tiny piece of the puzzle- and then of course throwing Biden under the bus on her glam book tour while the country she says she wants to lead is burning.

I will not vote for her or anyone like her. Hope the Dems listen this time. [/quote]

You hope the dems listen? You think the elite dems give a hot damn about you or your views?

To the elite dems you are one of the unwashed little people to be directed, controlled, and moved about the chess board.

No they are not “listening” to you.

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There are maybe a handful of GOP and Dem politicians out there that don't accept donations from mega-donors. 98% of them do and they are beholden to those wealthy entities and therefore the American citizen priorities are put on the back burner. This isn't a party specific dynamic. GOP politicians are just as likely to be corrupt as Dem politicians and as a whole, our Congress is not "listening" to us. [/quote]

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