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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Are the anti-hair people also against eyebrow grooming and facial hair removal? [/quote]

You’re so dense. You’re being asked to consider why. Stop being defensive and look at the bigger picture. Look at what we are doing to our children. [/quote]

Simple question: are you suggesting we should keep our unibrows, mustaches, and chin hairs?  [/quote]

DP but I think people are just suggesting we start asking WHY we do some of this stuff, who it is for, and who benefits.

Today I had an appointment for my ortho, where I had to do some practical physical tests, so I wore workout clothes. It's warm today, so I wanted short sleeves, but I discovered I only had long sleeve or tank workout tops that were clean. The thing about a tank is that when I do these tests at my ortho, I have to reach above my head and stretch my arms out, and people can see my underarms. Now, I shave my underarms. But I just feel sort of uncomfortable about how they look. I have dark hair and pale skin, so even with shaving, there's a little shadow there. If I were at the gym I'd wouldn't worry about it, but I was thinking about being in an office with people looking at my body and watching me do these tests, and I felt uncomfortable about it. I wound up wearing the tank but then wearing a hoody over it, so that I could keep the hoody on for the tests, even though honestly I felt hot in the hoody.

Maybe you never worry about stuff like that, but reread this thread. Hair on women is "masculine", "untidy", "gross." Hairy and beefy thrown around as insults (along with lesbian). Women should be "clean" and "tidy" which means hairless except on their heads.

You can say I'm neurotic for feeling bad about how my *shaved* armpits look due to the fact that I'm a human being who has hair follicles in my armpit, but I look at this conversation and am like "yup, that's exactly why I felt weird about it and didn't want people to see it."

It's worth talking about. I'm not going to stop shaving my armpits (obviously! that would only make me feel worse and more self conscious) but that doesn't mean I don't recognize the way these expectations around how women's bodies are "supposed" to look (which is so different from how our bodies look naturally, especially as we age) can be a prison for us.[/quote]

Why can't it just be a personal choice?  Men choose whether to shave their faces, just as I choose to get my eyebrows, mustache, and chin hairs threaded.  It's how I like to groom myself, much like my husband prefers to shave his face every morning. [/quote]
? the PP is saying it's a personal choice.   This thread is just discussing WHY the standard of beauty is set such that women feel thy need to wax their pubes off (which sounds incredibly painful). [/quote]

Men groom, too, though.  [/quote]

But men are not told they are unclean or gross if they choose not to fully remove all their body and facial hair. A man may choose to shave or not, but it's an aesthetic choice and people are accepting either way. Men with beards are not given dirty looks or called gross. A woman who doesn't shave her armpits would get both.

Men go to the pool with hairy legs and arms and backs and chests, and no one says anything. They may even have hair on their stomachs or lower back that is likely an extension of pubic hair, and people would not really care because they are men and they are allowed to have body hair. A woman at the pool with visible leg hair or back hair, or some visible pubic hair, would be made fun of and avoided.

It's not the same. A lot of grooming is not a true choice for women unless they are willing to accept a limited social role or cover themselves up. Many women only shave and wax out of fear of judgement or to be socially acceptable, and not because it's a genuine choice they are making for personal preference only.[/quote]

I've run into a few young women in their twenties who don't shave their body hair.  They seem to intentionally wear revealing clothing to let everyone see where they stand.  Fine.  [/quote]

Yep.  The obvious “look at me and my radical choice!” is so pathetic.  Who cares.[/quote]

Judging by this thread (and every other body hair thread in DCUM history), a lot of people care a lot.[/quote]

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