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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Hi it's me, the one who just started this whole saga an hour or so ago. I am now on page 34.

I am definitely way less sympathetic to Sonya, et al., at this point, but I still do not trust Dawn either. She is not the amazing person people are claiming in order to contrast her with Chunky Monkeys.

Dawn was trying to get revenge on Sonya as shown here: https://rottenindenmark.org/2021/10/10/identifying-the-bad-art-friend-is-easy/

Additionally, I am pretty positive that this 'mistext' she admits here was not an accident: https://twitter.com/kidneygate/status/1447626879788277765/photo/1

At this point I feel they are both manipulative just in different ways.

I am open to my mind being changed more, however. 
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I’ll get yelled at but whatever. Rotten in Denmark is a shit source, and I’m well and truly over people still slamming Dorland. And I won’t stop posting it. Telling people to actually read the whole damned thing is less disruptive than people coming in late and saying a kidney “brag” negates the donation.[/quote]

That PP is only on p. 34 and is still reading and learning. It's okay. I am very firmly pro-Dorland now and I was probably "both sides made mistakes" on around that page, because the facts were still unfurling. The thread is quieted down, it's okay for someone to read and update as she goes along. I like the updates. [/quote]

I don’t agree for a few reasons but the main one is that I feel like “both sides erred” as the de facto wise-owl take in all situations is a terribly destructive setting, and it’s IMO a coward’s perch. Not intending that as ad hominem against any particular poster; this is a default social setting that I vehemently disagree with. It lets a lot of abusive behavior escape any form of accountability because the critical eye will make distinctions that get washed away with both sides rationalizations. Part of me wants Dorland not to mediate, which I know might be financial suicidal, because it will render this nightmare and plagiarism and workplace harassment a nullity to too many, and the thought gives me anguish. Yes, I know how that sounds. [/quote]

I don't disagree with you on the grave moral weakness of this fallacy of "both sides" which is devastating discourse around the country (see Holocaust deniers in TX). But that specific poster is still reading and learning. I would give her(?) a chance.

Personally, I want Dorland to file an employment case against GrubStreet, if she still can. At a minimum, I hope she writes her story.[/quote]

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