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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Matt son never betrayed Shiv because he never took her seriously in the first place - he played her from the beginning. He saw in Shiv a person so entitled, arrogant and willing to betray her family for power that she was easily identified as an opportunity to feed him information. He even chuckles a bit along the way at some of her outrageous comments about Tom and others. [/quote]

Mattson was very cleverly written, because he never promised Shiv anything. He just let her talk and never disagreed with her & she took that as assent. It showed her lack of experience.

It is funny to see all the “poor Shiv” comments. Her father was sexist, but he was terrible to everyone. When he did try to bring her in to the company, she refused to put in the work to try to learn from him, or anyone else. She was arguably the most talented, but hubris did her in.  [/quote]

No one has said "poor Shiv."
DP[/quote]

Huh? Maybe not in those exact words, but there are posters arguing that Shiv character is purely a victim. To the point that someone upthread responded with a list of all her personal failings and crimes. [/quote]

Most of the people I see "defending" Shiv are simply defending her final choice to say yes to the deal. Some people seem really upset about that and in particular, some people seem angry on Kendall's behalf because she betrayed him.

I don't think Shiv is a hero and ultimately I don't care whether the show resolved with the GoJo deal going through or not. But I also don't think Kendall is a hero and I think it was pretty much necessary to the arc of the show for him to be denied what he wanted. I don't view it as Shiv betraying him, more her making a decision that made sense to her for a variety of reasons, mostly self interested, while also recognizing that Kendall was also working in his own self-interest.

I'm not "Team" anyone and find that approach to the show a little strange given that pretty much all these people are objectively awful, except some of the more minor characters.[/quote]

+1000
There is a poster who takes all of this very personally.  Probably the same person who actually thought Shiv and Roman were plotting to murder Kendall, and not just joking around.   :roll: [/quote]

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