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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The saddest thing about this case to me is that two men could witness a woman's rape in progress and people still go out of their way to defend and excuse the rapist. "He didn't actually rape her." (Well, no. The witnesses stopped it from happening.)  "He's a good kid who made a mistake." (He was raping a woman behind a dumpster.)  "She was really drunk."  (Rapists usually pick easy targets, and that is often people who are really, really drunk.) "This has ruined his life!" (He ruined his life.)

If people can defend a rapist caught in the act of rape, then there really is no hope for our culture. [/quote]

You've articulated what I find the most frustrating about this case. It doesn't matter what the case entails - it's always going to come down to what SHE did. Over 100 pages of why was SHE drunk? Why didn't SHE take steps to defend herself?

Why didn't HE not rape her?

Why does our fucked up society fall all over itself to defend a guy who was caught in the act? And fall all over itself some more to drag a rape victim through the mud? [/quote]

Obviously, the guy was arrested, jailed, convicted, sentenced and put on the sex offender registry.  Brock is being held accountable for his actions.

But there is a message in what Emily did here as well.  No way is it acceptable for a college graduate to show up at a frat party with younger, less experienced undergrads and allow herself to get so inebriated that she passes out behind a dumpster. Brock or no Brock - that was incredibly poor judgement on her part.  I hear so many people minimizing what Emily did.  But if that young woman truly was kissing a teenager and if she is the one who led him back behind those dumpsters - that does make a difference as to what Brock's intent was going back there with her.

Obviously if he helped her to stumble back there, she fell down and he took advantage of her - there is NO defending that.  But if he thought that she was was kissing him back and making out *with* him and then she suddenly passed out that paints a different picture.  A doctor on this thread has said that it would have been impossible.

But I saw enough heavy drinkers in my college and post college years to know that extremely drunk people are capable of doing all sorts of things.  They drive cars, they order pizza, they go swimming, they dance topless on bars, they fool around with teenagers at frat parties....
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But the outcome you expect when you drink too much is to have a hangover. Not to be the victim of a sexual assault. And that SHOULD be the expected outcome. Saying, "I agree, this guy's horrible, but she shouldn't have had so much to drink..." minimizes how horrific his actions truly were. She was not at fault in any way here. He is a predator, who took advantage of someone in a vulnerable situation.

Also, you realize that he's the one claiming that she did all of those things he thought meant she was into it, right? And he only made those claims after he found out that she didn't remember? Personally, I'm gonna really question the word of a dude who was caught in the act of assaulting someone. Especially when he says, "No, no, she was totally into it! I totally didn't rape her!"[/quote]

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