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In a normal country an open door would not cost 21 humans their lives within minutes.

In a deranged society where guns matter more than people I guess it could though.[/quote]

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It's stupid to blame the open door for this.

Did you know in other countries they don't lock doors? And they also don't have active shooter drills.

My child was raised in America and I was mortified that starting the age of 5 she had to practice to hide from people to shoot her.  How is this normalized in our society?
She grew up with a notion that she may be shot at any minute.   How is this normal?!!  [/quote]

What? Without an open door it would have been more difficult to obtain entry to the school. In other words, obtaining entry would have taken time he didn’t really have after crashing the truck a losing the element of surprise. Not impossible, but still more difficult and potentially allowing the school to take some lockdown measures and exposing him to discovery by law enforcement. Police were on scene while he remained in the parking lot and a locked entrances would have been ideal for taking him down. He had no training or discipline and was in panic mode, shooting rounds randomly at those who witnessed the crash and the school. I have no doubt the teacher will suffer guilt for years to come but there are reasons for safety protocols. And I’m sorry their need to get a phone trumped training snd common sense, particularly if the school had been tied to a conspiracy to commit murder in recent years. [/quote]

“Element of surprise”?!

Jesus Christ, I can’t believe it is now completely normalized that we all need to be hyper vigilant to armed shooters at all times so they don’t get “the element of surprise”. WTF has happened to this country. No other developed country thinks this is normal.

The problem is guns. [/quote]

My kids attended elementary school less than a mile from the US Capitol. We lived through Sandy Hook. We lived through a mass shooting nearby at the navy Yard. We lived through the dozens of other school shootings. The school is locked down periodically due to a suspicious package or an incident at the Capitol Complex, which happen with greater frequency than you might otherwise expect. Sometimes you need to think about difficult things. And trust that police have the training to protect your children should the need arise. [/quote]

I do not understand the point that you are making PP...are you saying that since you have to deal with the threat of an active shooter routinely, its okay? That its just a normal part of life?

And no, the police rarely give me comfort on anything, given that I'm not white. Glad you take comfort in their expertise to protect your children from weapons of destruction. [/quote]

My .02. I posted earlier in the thread about my child who was at Edmund Burke School on 4/22. Everyone of those kids have been participating in active shooter drills since at least K. They almost instinctively knew what to do when the first shots began to hit the school. It’s a normal part of their life, to use your words. It saved some of their lives. Sounds like the 4th graders in Uvalde also knew exactly what to do, but with a far, far more horrific result due to a confluence of bad decisionmaking. Guns and bad actors who use them are not going to go away. Vigilance can be a positive. Just like explaining “stranger danger” to little kids. [/quote]

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