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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]You had me until you said there was nothing bad about Russian food.  Russian food is horrible.  All the good stuff is Polish or Georgian.  The rest is just cabbage and dill.  [/quote]

I'm counting Beef Stroganoff, Pelmeni, Syrniki, Pirozhki, Blini, Shashlik...  I know I know, you're gonna say it's "not Russian", but that's like saying tandoori isn't mainstream English food.. the fact is that without tandoori, I probably would've starved in London..[/quote]

Stroganoff yes, but inspired by other cuisines.  Pelmeni came from Siberian people.  Syrniki has Ukrainian etymology rather than Russian творог.  And certainly Russia can't lay unique claim to pancakes. A lot is borrowed/appropriated from other people and cultures.[/quote]

Appropriated! No credibility for you
-DP[/quote]

Debating the cultural value of a country, any country, is detrimental to freedom.  As soon as you decide which countries are "worthy" you imply which countries are less worthy of their territorial integrity.  This is in part what Putin did in the run-up to the invasion of Ukraine.  Doing it back to Russia only legitimizes the idea of judging a country's worthiness for self determination.[/quote]

Ehh, I'm fine with delegitimizing Russia because they don't care about the worthiness or self-determination of other countries, like Ukraine.[/quote]

No one really knows what self determination is or how it works. It has never been applied to countries equally or fairly. It’s mostly driven by his favored the country is. Like, I bet if a part of Russia suddenly voted to join Finland, they’d get a serious hearing. Artsakh wants to be a part of Armenia? Or be independent? Bubkes for them. Kosovo ? Now you’re talking.[/quote]

With places like Finland, it pays to have friends.

As for some of the others, what meaningful friends do they have now?  Armenia was for years basically a Russian client state, and they counted on Russia for protection.  But now they know Russia is no longer there for them, CIS/CSTO etc have pretty much become a joke.  Serbia may wake up to the same realization[/quote]

You’ve just confirmed that there are really no rules about that thing called self determination, it’s all a farce. [/quote]

It's not at all a farce.  Countries have a right to sovereignty and self-determination.  But if you are a tiny weakling of a country without any friends trying to stand up against a bigger bully, like Russia or whoever else, then you are going to have a harder time doing it.[/quote]

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