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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]It's idiotic to say that homeless shelters don't have a negative effect on property values. Maybe it is slim but of course it is negative.[/quote]

The property value argument is a strawman. The vast majority of homeowners in ward 3 (and let's be honest, the majority is the nimby folks in this thread are ward 3)  have likey seen property values skyrocket in the last decade. [i]You can take a $20k hit, even though I don't believe it will happen.[/i] It will share the area with a police station for goodness sake. [/quote]

This is typical progressive liberalism. WE decide how much money of yours you can keep and WE decide what's best.[/quote]

The point is that your property valuation is not actually your money. Your property is worth what the market will pay for it. Deciding that government services should be allocated as to preserve or inflate your particular home's value on the market is the opposite of conservatism. [/quote]

Not true. When government interferes with the free market by forcing social justice on the people in the form of homeless shelters, etc in their neighborhoods,  you have the opposite of conservatism.

Do yourself a favor, and read "Economics in one Lesson" by Hazlitt. It's free from a number of sources:

https://www.google.com/#q=economics+in+one+lesson+pdf

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The government is not interfering with the free market by buying property and using it for government purposes.  You are basically arguing that government itself is incompatible with the free market.[/quote]

DING DING DING! When government tries to pick winners in the marketplace (Solyndra being a good example), they are artificially manipulating the free market. And in the case of Solyndra, lost the millions in taxpayer dollars.

Limited government has a role in the free market. When government becomes too large, and/or creates policies in the interest of 'fairness', they are deliberately causing some to lose for the benefit of others. [/quote]

Though the right wing loves the Solyndra example, it's a lousy one.  The fact is, the government has a far better track record on wins than you like to admit, and it's certainly a better track record than most of the free market.  The "losses" have been recovered, many times over..  You also forget about those little things like the government inventing and investing in the Internet (DARPA) which has now created a 14 trillion dollar economy.[/quote]

The government should not BE in the business of picking winners and losers in a free market. God LORD![/quote]

Oh, puh-leeze.  Government has been having to step in and balance the needs of the few versus the needs of the many for as long as America (as we know it) has existed.  Even the Iroquois and other tribes had agreed-upon systems in place to keep order in settlements.  Even the Massachussetts Bay Colony in the 1620s had to set up early forms of zoning to balance individual "free market" wants and desires versus the needs of the community, otherwise you would have the neighbor's pigs and livestock tearing up your garden.  This "good lord, the government should not be in the business of picking winners and losers in a free market" Libertarian bullshit is just that - Bullshit.  There has never, EVER been even one successful example of your purist Libertarian model to ever succeed in society, despite 6,000 years of modern recorded history.[/quote]

On a MUCH more limited basis. You are confusing anarchistic governments with limited governments.[/quote]

Again, there has never ever been a single example of a country running successfully on a libertarian model in all of the 6,000 years of recorded human history.  It's pure fantasy.  It relies on trusting that everyone will behave and that nobody will trample on the next guy's liberties.  The reality is that this quickly degenerates into the wild west and government is too weak and ineffectual to do anything.  Basically libertarianism gets you Somalia.  End of story.[/quote]

Again, you are confusing limited government, i.e., a Constitutional Republic, with an anarchistic government [/quote]

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