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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]You must know about oral tradition, yes?  Look at the Greek and Roman myths that were passed down orally.

Again, if these miracles did indeed occur, we would have witnesses - however many people removed from the actual events.

sorry - I prefer fact over faith.  [/quote]

Really? If somebody told me orally about the Declaration of Independence, I shouldn't believe them until I go to the National Archives and see the document for myself? So if my friend or DH told me orally about 9/11, I shouldn't believe it until I visit the WTC site, even if it requires time travel back to 2001?  If somebody tells me orally about something but I can't find a piece of paper to prove it, I should assume they made it up? Is this how you operate when somebody tells you something?

The gospels are exactly the witnesses you say you are looking for. In your own words, they are "witnesses, however many people removed from the actual events."

So then you say you want non-Christian sources who write about the miracles as if they actually happened. But by definition, non-Christians don't believe in the miracles, so they aren't going to write about them.

So basically, you've set up this "gotcha" list of demands that's non-sensical as well as self-contradictory. Do you understand that, or is this just what you do for fun because you have nothing else to do? [/quote]

gotcha?  lol

PP, you are a hot mess.  There are many primary sources - as in firsthand accounts - dating back to antiquity that are more ACCURATE than the gospels.  Furthermore, the gospels are NOT firsthand accounts. They are stories - starting with Mark - on the story of Jesus - with the clear intent of indoctrinating the masses.  Matthew, Luke and John copied Mark's version and added their own spin to these so-called accounts.  So the gospel is really ONE person's version.

And even IF someone doesn't believe in miracles, s/he would have recorded them, as these "miracles" are anomalies, yes? So if I don't believe in UFOs but I see some odd flying object in the sky, do you honestly think I'd keep it to myself?  lol

You eventually saw the towers fall, yes?  You've seen the Dec of Ind, right?  You've seen footage of the towers from national and international news sources, right?  And you've clearly read primary accounts of the Revolutionary War in your history classes.

and with regard to the non-Christian accounts of Jesus? There is still no proof that there was ONE Jesus.

I'm done.  If you can't be bothered with other sources, then live in your La La Land and wave to me down below as I burn in hell.

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