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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I thought below was an interesting perspective from a Yahoo poster.  Usually Yahoo comments are despicably racist but I thought this comment was interesting even though I disagree on one of his opinions.

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WJ Alden • 17 hours ago
As a private university, Harvard should have the right o admit whomever it wants. Of course most people at Harvard don't think businesses should have the right to hire whomever they want, so I guess they can't use that argument.

However, while Asians in the US may do better, on average, than non-Asians, they do not outperform the rest of us to a degree that suggests they should be >20% of Ivy League student bodies. Whether in politics, business, or culture, the evidence just isn't there. Are universities supposed to stick purely to grades and test scores - on which Asians do really, really well - to decide whom to admit, or [b]can they look at post-college performance to understand that those aren't great predictors of our future elite?[/b]

If you look at just grades and test scores you could probably make a strong case that elite universities are discriminating against Asians. A look at post-college success, though, greatly weakens the case.

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Of course not. It's still white's world out there.  I must tell you, I am tired of people making Asian kids so one dimentional - like they can't do anything other than GPA and test scores. The fact that they perform at a higher level (w/ GPA/test scores) doesn't mean they can't do other things.  [/quote]

What else can they do?[/quote]

Anec-data here....

The Val of my DD's high school class was Asian. Of course, he had the 4.0 unweighted GPA, 5s in 7+ APs, and the 2300 plus SAT I/800 SAT IIs. But on top of that, he was a varsity swimmer at a state-qualifying level (24 hour/week commitment in season, 15/hour/week out of season), president of two clubs, NHS, firsts in state science fair every year. He also had a part time job (lifeguarding).

Shut out of every Ivy.

[/quote]As CalTech becomes increasingly Asian (over 60% to date), just how many students, Asian and non-Asian with the credentials you listed above will be shut out of not just CalTech but of every Ivy?  Even if it were 100%, there are just so many seats.  Then what?

[b]Also, the credentials you listed above are not unusual, not by a long shot. [/b] Mosey on over to College Confidential.  Those attributes are becoming a dime a dozen.[/quote]

There were probably 3-4 thousand kids last year w/ 2300+ SATs out of 1.6 million test takers.  Add on all the rest of the accomplishments and I seriously doubt kids like these are "a dime a dozen".   There was an AA kid last year with a 2250 on the SATs, not top 10 in his class that everyone freaked out about because he got into every single one of the Ivies.  Had be been Asian (or possibly even white) he would have been kicked to the curb.
[/quote]3 or 4 thousand.  2000 spots.  Do the math.[/quote]

There were 23,000 kids admitted to the Ivy league schools last year.  I did the math.[/quote]You're not just talking about Harvard, obviously.  I don't think you or anyone will be happy until either the Ivys accept only whites or only Asians.  But eventually, you will be at war with each other.  Give it time.[/quote]

Yes, the "Shut out of every Ivy" line kind of led me to believe we were talking about "every Ivy".  I don't care what color the kids are; I just think it should be based on merit.  Honestly though, Ivy league schools are private; they can do what they want.  I do think affirmative action should be eliminated for public schools or at the very least be changed to be socio-economic based.   The URM kids getting into the Ivy league schools are generally quite well off.[/quote]

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