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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]PP--I applaud your diligence in further investigating this rather obscure group of early Christians.  They are of interest in their own right in the context of the various early theological struggles of nascent Christianity.

But I have to say, I have really, really missed what possible relevance the Ebionites have to Islam's lack of belief in the trinity.  There is no evidence this group existed in 7th century western Arabia.  Nestorians did exist, and Mohammed was said to have been influenced by a Nestorian monk, whose name I recall as Bahira.  (Don't hold me to this--am not as diligent as you in looking this stuff all up for purposes of this thread).  Nestorians emphasized the human nature of Christ, as does Islam, with the difference that Nestorian theology had some convoluted link to Christ's divinity and Islam doesn't.

I also don't get why the beliefs of one Christian convert to Islam, who appears to have an extremely small sphere of influence, should inform anyone's thinking on the merits of the trinity, Islam's lack of belief thereof, and the essential truth or not of Islam. I don't see why what this mysterious Dirks thinks or not matters at all.

Islam cannot accept the trinity because if the prophet Jesus is also God come to earth, a later prophet, eg Mohammed, is redundant.[/quote]

I'm with you, I'm not sure why OP thought this was relevant either. I wouldn't have bothered, except that OP keeps insisting that Dirks and the Ebionites somehow (1) "prove" her point about the Trinity and therefore (2) "debunk" (OP's word) all the rest of Christianity. For example, OP claimed just yesterday that Dirks proves she's right on the Trinity at 09/12/2014 16:58.

OP has a long history on DCUM of claiming she "won" arguments she clearly lost. OP is the type of poster who links to things she hasn't read herself, and continues to insist that she's right until you refute every single angle of her obscure links. Given my own happiness in nerdy pursuits like this one, I decided to investigate a little.

Next time OP claims she "won" the Trinity argument, therefore she "debunked" all of Christianity, and therefore everybody here should convert to Islam... somebody can call her out. If I'm not on DCUM, anybody who thinks that OP is full of it can simply cut and paste from my post above.

OP's claim that Dirks is, or ever was, a Harvard Divinity School professor--no words. He's practiced psychology for the last 20 years.

We agree, I think, that 7th century Arabia was a veritable marketplace for ideas as well as commerce. One of the sources I linked to says the Ebionites may have influenced the later Nestorians. It seems like a stretch though--given (a) the several hundred years that elapsed between the Ebionites and the Nestorians, and (b) the fact that we have no original Ebionite manuscripts and instead we are relying on people who disagreed with them--to hinge any argument on the Ebionites themselves. Let alone for OP to keep insisting that this "debunks" Christianity or that everybody should therefore convert to Islam. I agree with your argument that Mohammed had personal reasons for proving that Jesus was not "divine" and therefore another prophet--Mohammed himself--was needed. None of OP's arguments make sense to me.

Call me agnostic on the whole Trinity issue.

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