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Here are a few more points. Because, apparently, it's necessary to spell out the obvious. 
1. For Muslim PP to be correct (note: I have no clue whether the immediate PP is the Muslim PP, or not), that is, to substantiate her claim that more people in the US are converting to Islam than immigrating here, [b]we'd have to be able to say that &gt;75,000 of those 100,000 immigrants are non-Muslim. [/b]That's the only possible way the immigrant number can be less than the convert number. Now it's certainly true that lots of Parsis, Bahaiis, Christians and Jews are fleeting Muslim persecution in places like Egypt, Syria, Iran, Pakistan and Nigeria. But you'd have to argue that &gt;75% of immigrants from Muslim countries (&gt;75,000 of the 100,000 immigrants) are actually non-Muslims fleeting Muslim persecution.[/quote]
No, that's not what she's saying. She's saying Islam in the U.S. is growing more by conversion than by immigration.  So if Muslim immigration to the U.S. is a hundred thousand a year, Muslim conversion numbers have to be at over a hundred thousand a year.

She hasn't provided any numbers to support that. The only GUESSTIMATE number that came from a Christian group pegs annual conversions at 25,000, which is both a) less, not more, than 100,000, and b) bullshit, because no one, nowhere collects any data on conversions to the Islam.[/quote]

I think we agree here, but I was going at it a different way. Your point, that the conversion number would have to be inflated over 100,000 a year, is of course valid.

I'm going at this the other way. If there are 25,000 converts, than she needs to massively reduce that figure of 100,000 immigrants to prove her claim about converts &gt; immigrants. To put it differently, she needs to write off more than 75,000 immigrants (because she's arguing they're Pakistani Christians or something) in order to reduce that 100,000 immigrant figure below the 25,000 convert figure. So my point is, writing off 75% of the immigrants as non-Muslims defies credibility.

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I see.  Well, I think this strategy is even less plausible because Pew has put out solid information that these hundred thousand people are in fact Muslim, and it took special pains to explain that it didn't just presume whoever immigrated from a Muslim-majority country MUST be Muslim, but instead relied on the New Immigrant Survey that asks for religious affiliation of new green card holders.  I don't know exactly how they arrived at that number but there seems to be a rigorous method behind it. So I think finding a reason to claim that over 3/4 of them aren't Muslim would be difficult.[/quote]

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