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[quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Yes, Obamacare was ruled constitutional based on TAX-which the Dems insisted was not in the bill.[/quote]

So it is constitutional

#moveon  [/quote]

Actually, the Supreme Court has no legal right to change a term to make something constitutional. It was a huge over-reach of power. The forefathers rolled over in their graves.[/quote]

Oh dear.  Someone needs to brush up on their Marbury v. Madison.  [/quote]

The judges said 'we think Obama meant tax, not fine after Obama said over and over it wasn't a tax. That's not interpretation, that's over-reach. They should have ruled it unconstitutional and made Obama change it. See the difference?  There's a reason Obama said it was not a tax[/quote]  Really?  Chief Justice Roberts said, "we think Obama meant tax"?  No, he didn't.  First, the federal government did assert that the ACA was a constitutional exercise of the government's taxing power.  Second, the Court held that regardless of what the fine was called, it operated as a tax.  Third, it's not at all overreach - the Court looked at how the mandate/fine operated (not what it was called) and determined that it was constitutional.  It doesn't matter what it is called - it's not in the power of the Executive to try to impact the Court's decision with with labels, much like the signing statements Bush was so fond of don't control and are not binding on the Court.[/quote]

And the bill originated where?[/quote]

If I offer incontrovertible proof that the point you are trying to make is wrong, will you admit it? Of course not. Nevertheless, since you keep bringing this up, let me set you straight.

The act that Obama eventually signed into law began life in the House of Representatives as HR. 3590, introduced by Charles Rangel and named the "Service Members Home Ownership Tax Act of 2009". The purpose of the bill was to "amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986...". So, in other words, this bill was a tax bill. In the Senate, the bill was amended so that it no longer had anything to do with service members home ownership, but rather dealt with health care. At that time, it was renamed the "Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act".

Here you can find it as introduced:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/111/hr3590/text/ih

And, here you can find it as passed by the Senate:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/111/hr3590/text

So, right-wingers, rest assured. You are not in possession of a little-know fact that would completely discredit Obamacare. Rather, as usual, you are simply misinformed.
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