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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]A well-known atheist blogger recently converted to Catholicism.  Why?  Because of this question:

On whose authority do I claim an act as good or evil?

This is also known as the argument from conscience.

This is the question every atheist ultimately needs to answer.  No atheist on this thread has been able to do so yet.

That's why they are still able to be atheists.[/quote]

Don't you understand that making up an imaginary god to justify your actions does not solve your good vs. evil problem?

Do you understand that people have justified very bad things on the basis of the authority of their god?

So saying "This is good because God told me" or "this is bad because God told me" does not get us any further, because "God" tells different people different things. In the Civil War he told the south that they were right and the North that they were right. He told the Aztecs to sacrifice children and the pope to cover up child abuse and move the abusers to fresh parishes.

So how then, when different people have different conceptions of right and wrong, do we determine what is right and wrong? We as a society engage in a debate about it, and set laws according to the outcome of the debate, based on our interests as a society for maximising the common good.[/quote]

You are shaping God by the action of people and that's faulty. God's principles are unchanging. He gives us free will and it is from that free will that man has warped and/or interpreted his teachings. We are the ones who emphasize what we want as it suits us. BUT, none of that changes God's Word. It is unchanging. The only thing that changes is man.

Whether you believe in it or not, think of the Bible. Is an updated version, with entirely different text, published every year to suit society and/or man? [/quote]

My understanding is that there was an update a couple of thousand years ago. Can you explain why, if his principles were unchanging, he needed to bring out a new edition? In fact, in this thread we have been explicity informed that the OT, which apparently set the rules for a while, is now superceded.

I would also point out that the bible did go through a large number of changes in the first century or two after christ.

How do you know that another update won't be needed? The mormons claim that it was.[/quote]

Don't forget there are literally dozens of "Bibles", and that's just in English.

http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/[/quote]

At least Muslims actually believe there text was 100% written by god. The bible is such a bizarre cut/pasted, random selection of contradicting stories, all plainly and admittedly written by human beings, assembled over centuries. [/quote]

Actually, Muslims believe the Quran was "written" by Muhammad (who, BTW was illiterate and simply "recited" what he said God had told him).

If anything, dozens of people all over the world, over many centuries, writing essentially the same things is more valid to me than just one guy writing it all himself. YMMV.[/quote]

Incorrect. According to Muslim mythology, the Quran was delivered via the angel Gabriel, who recited God's words directly to Muhammad. Muhammad never wrote anything, he was basically just the voice of deliverance.

According to Christian mythology, the Bible was not written by people "all over the world." Neither do they all say the same thing, and many of the apocryphal texts are directly contradictory. It was a pretty small subject of random dudes in one narrow geographic region. Interesting that with so many people, none of them were women. Not a one. [/quote]

re: the Quran: You actually just wrote exactly what I said. That's why I put "written" in quotations and mentioned the recitation.

Where is your evidence of who/when/where the Bible was written?[/quote]

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