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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Np I have friends overseas. The pay isn’t 100% of your salary on maternity leave (and their pay is already lower). So once they have a baby, their salaries take a big hit. They can’t return to work earlier because it’s stigmatized and daycare don’t take babies before 1 (one friend mentioned before 3 but idk if that’s true). Once kids are school aged, they have the same issues that moms have here where school ends at 3 but work ends at 5, however aftercare’s aren’t plentiful. Many stick to one kid for financial and logistical reasons. My Norwegian friends own their own condo, but it’s a 2 bedroom. They only had one kid for space reasons. I’m sure none of those reasons are insurmountable for people who really want kids but maternity leave isn’t this panacea that it’s purported to be. [/quote]

I'm sure you understand that it varies by country.[b] In Norway, the pay is 80%[/b]. For one year of parental leave split between two parents.[b] Their pay takes a 20% hit [/b]but they don't have to do any work, and their jobs are protected.

Do you think things work better in the U.S., where there are 0 weeks of mandated paid parental leave for either parent? And only 40% of Americans have access to unpaid leave under FMLA? Do you think that's encouraging people to have babies more than 80% paid leave for a year?

And I ask again, why are we as a society okay with only women taking a salary hit for having children? Why shouldn't parents bear equal risk in bringing children into the world?

If your solution is to fund parental leave 100% of salary instead of 80% of salary, I'm all for it. But I strongly suspect that's not what you're suggesting. [/quote]

The max parental leave amount is $1,538 a week in Norway. It’s 80% if you have a lower wage job in Norway.  Stop being misleading.

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Wages aren't comparable in the US and Norway. Norwegians pay a maximum of $300 in a healthcare costs (free for minors and pregnant women), have free higher education, have highly subsidized childcare (costs about $115/mo), and get a monthly cash benefit for all children under the age of 18 to offset the cost of having children (with an extra supplement for infants and single parents). [/quote]

You clearly haven’t been to Norway nor understand their tax structure or SWF or pricing.

A Big Mac costs 20 USD. [/quote]

Norway literally ranks #3 for standard of living in the world. The United States ranks #30.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/best-countries-for-quality-of-life

Norway is 7th in GDP per capita compared to the US at 8th.

https://data.imf.org/en/Data-Explorer?datasetUrn=IMF.RES:WEO(9.0.0)

Norway's poverty rate is 8% (OECD) compared to 18.1% (OECD) in the U.S.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/poverty-rate-by-country

Norway has a life expectancy of 83.5 vs. 79.5 in the U.S.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/life-expectancy-by-country

The United States does have moderately higher disposable income per capita at $62,700 vs. $53,300.

https://statranker.org/economy/top-100-countries-by-real-disposable-income-per-capita-2025/

Like you're going to have to present some real data that Norwegians are worse off than Americans. Are Norwegian deca millionaires worse off than American deca millionaires? Maybe. But that's not the question. 
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This is due to oil and gas money! Here in the US, we have privatized the oil and gas profits, while socializing the costs (plugging abandoned wells, environmental work/permits, etc). [/quote]

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