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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Wake has lots of rich kids. W&M prob less so.[/quote]
Wake has better ROI and can compete outside of regional placement for jobs.  It will get closer to top 25 in a few years. [/quote]
Wak is nowhere near being a top 25
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Dp, but why this again.  [b]When us news decides to eliminate the dei factors it’s used for the last year or two[/b], Wake will likely be back on the T30, just as it was for over 25 straight years.
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But we all know they won't, and since Wake isn't really looking to grow research they'll continue to be punished[/quote]

Not sure why you would say Wake is no looking to grow research, they just built a large medical research facility and also added a second campus for their Medical School.[/quote]

They aren't interested in being r1 as far as i can tell - no public strategy of that[/quote]

R1 just means a certain level of funding has been received.  William and Mary does have more research funding at the undergraduate level, but that is in arts and sciences, education, and Marine sciences.

Wake medical school alone  has almost four times as much research funding as William and Mary as a whole. That research is accessible to undergraduates.  In fact, my own kid easily found a position for this summer.

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And it doesn't count for the rankings so like I said that's the issue Wake has [/quote]

All that counts for research in the U.S. News rankings  is the number of citations in journals.  Schools like Wake and Willam and Mary are never going to match the number of research faculty numbers of the research powerhouses and therefore won’t benefit from this criteria.

William and Mary has $81 million in research funding, Wake has over $350 million, including the medical school.  Vanderbilt, which I assume is what you mean by a mid tier private, has over  $ 1 billion, with a little less than half representing the undergraduate portion.[/quote]

Neither school is a research powerhouse and likely never will be.  Wake had $344.4M in research funding in 2024, but 93% of that total is in Health Sciences associated with the medical center.   If you take Health Sciences away, there was only $24.1M in research across the rest of the university.  For W&M (which has no medical school and no Health Sciences R&D), the total was $94.6M.  If you take away Ocean Sciences (VIMS), that total falls to $47.6M.  Now compare that to a real heavy hitter, Princeton.  Princeton is is about the same size as Wake and W&M.  With no medical school and no Health Sciences R&D, Princeton had $559M in R&D in 2024.  Take the area of Computer Science.  Princeton did $31M in Computer Science research in 2024 compared to $5.2M at W&M and $410K at Wake.  For Physics it was $34M for Princeton, $6.9M for W&M, and $1.6M for Wake.  Universities have to have a foundation to support broad research and neither Wake or W&M do.  If they are ever ranked higher in USNWR it will be despite research not because of it.

That said, research can be a distraction from undergraduate instruction.  It certainly competes for faculty and administration attention with it.  I think their value prop (not appreciated by USNWR methodology) is undergraduate education focus.  In this way W&M and Wake are similar. [/quote]

Both of them have foundations?

https://wmf1693.org/

https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/562038193[/quote]

I am not sure what your point is.  Can you explain?[/quote]

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