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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The Epstein files have become bigger than life, people are turning the files into something they want it to be rather than what they are.

We do know Epstein was "recruiting" young women and putting them in positions of availability. But it doesn't mean many of the men's named in the files did anything illegal on their end. It is not illegal to sleep with a woman you met at a party. Most of these women were of legal age. That is why prosecution is so complicated in this area.

Andrew was arrested because he apparently shared government information. That can be prosecuted. Howard Lutnick lying about his association with Epstein is not prosecutable as he didn't lie under oath.

There are also many names in the Epstein files of people who clearly knew him but there is no evidence they actually did anything wrong and their greatest crime is having been friendly with him. That's Lutnick, so far. Or the Clintons. You don't arrest people simply for being known to having been at an Epstein party. Much of the reaction right now reeks more of a sanctimonious vigilante mob and Salem Witch trial mentality. Which is a shame as there were really unethical things Epstein and Maxwell did. [/quote]

Female humans who are not of legal age are called children, and there were a lot of them who were raped.

Trafficking is criminal no matter the age of the victims.[/quote]

JFC.  We all know this.  The PP was correct that there is no concrete evidence to arrest these people for sex crimes as it is.  Being mentioned in the Epstein files is not proof of criminal activity.  You can't just arrest someone because you "feel" they're guilty.  You have to have actual evidence of something. 
DP[/quote]

I would take it a step farther - which is to say, this was a clearly powerful and connected guy who got around and had a lot of friends. So what if someone was friends with him? Maybe you don't have the best judge of character but it doesn't mean you yourself are a rapist, it doesn't even imply it[/quote]

Sure they weren’t all rapists, the rest were insider trading and scheming and stealing and defrauding and lots of things I cannot even fathom. You are the company you keep. Lie down with dogs, you’re gonna get fleas. FAFO![/quote]

But were they? Are you really the worst parts of all your friends and the people whom you know through work and other connections? Ever stood next to someone at a cocktail party you don't really know but see now and again because they are in your general circle, and slung your arm around them? Or pretended you were better friends with someone because it's just the social thing to do (e.g., sure let's go to dinner together)[/quote]

DP. Your excuse applies to the people who may have rubbed elbows with Epstein prior to his conviction and in a limited way, like just attending similar events (not at his island, not traveling with him) or reaching out to him to raise money since he was wealthy and connected to other wealthy people. I don't think anyone is indicting people who did stuff like that, even if there is some photo of them floating around standing next to him from like 2002.

But the latest documents show just how many people continued to communicate and socialize with him AFTER he'd been convicted in 2008, especially since it was widely known and reported that his conviction was a sweetheart deal and the actual investigation had implicated a much larger sex trafficking operation. People who chose to stay chummy with I'm after that, people who went to his island and "partied" with him, people who sent him emails asking them to set them up with young women, etc. -- these people absolutely fall with in the "company you keep" rule that PP is talking about.

Also I will note that actually, I don't ever pretend I'm better friends with people than I am. I find it weird when people do that and am put off by social groups where people get super chummy really fast. It's fake. And this thing with Epstein actually illustrates how it can also be dangerous. Just get to know people in a normal time frame. You can be perfectly pleasant to someone while also treating them as an acquaintance or someone you don't know well. This is called being genuine and honest in your personal interactions. I recommend people try it. If you are routinely acting like best friends with people you barely know due to social pressure, there is something wrong with your social circle. Not necessarily Epstein-level wrong, but people are being fake and weird and I would steer clear.[/quote]

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