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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Saw this online elsewhere, how do people here feel about this? [b]S+ Tier (Exceptional at everything, extremely resourced, global prestige)[/b]: -Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Princeton (No glaring weaknesses) [b]S Tier (Exceptional at nearly everything, extremely resourced, global prestige)[/b]: -Caltech (Amazing STEM but worse at humanities than MIT) -Yale (Amazing humanities but lagging S+ tier in STEM) -Duke (Very well rounded and perhaps greatest upside in S tier, but youngest of elite schools) -Columbia (Very well rounded but hurting from recent scandals, still benefits from being in NYC) -UChicago (Strong humanities and sciences but lacking in engineering) -UPenn (Very well rounded but perhaps too centered around Wharton that can create odd dynamic with the non-Wharton students) [b]A+ Tier (Exceptional at many things, heavily resourced, national prestige)[/b]: -Northwestern (Very well rounded, closest to being S tier) -Johns Hopkins (Pointy in strengths, perhaps too centered around medicine) -Dartmouth (Strong undergrad focus, but lacking strong research backing and global reputation of S tier) -Berkeley (Academically phenomenal all around similar to S+ tier and high global prestige, but significantly hurt in lack of resources and attention for undergrads) -Cornell (Good at STEM and niche programs like agriculture, but lagging in other traditional fields and a bit weaker in undergrad focus) -Brown (Weakest academically of ivies | Not quite as undergrad focused as Dartmouth and not quite an S tier research institution) -WASP + Bowdoin (Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore, Pomona, Bowdoin) Most elite liberal arts educations, minimal global prestige compared to others in this tier [b]A Tier (Exceptional at many things, well resourced, national prestige)[/b]: -Vanderbilt (Needs to cement itself as a top research institution, closest to being A+ tier) -Rice (Strong undergrad focus and very well resourced, but lacking global reputation) -UMich (Well rounded with strong research, lacking undergrad attention) -Georgetown (Incredibly elite for humanities, but severely lacking in STEM and could use more financial resources) -Notre Dame (Superb financial resources, but limited research excellence) -Washington University in St. Louis (Great financial resources, but pointy in strengths towards medicine/science) -UCLA (Strong research, but struggles with undergraduate resources) -Carnegie Mellon (Inverse Georgetown: strong STEM, severely lacking in humanities despite strong points in arts and theatre) -Harvey Mudd + Olin College of Engineering + Claremont McKenna (Specialized LACs that are very strong in their areas of expertise)[/quote] Duke and U Chicago do not have “global prestige”. DH and I are from two different top 10 global cities outside of the U.S., no one back home has had heard of these two schools except occasionally someone may know Duke only for basketball but not for its academics. Berkeley and Johns Hopkins have global prestige. [/quote] Chicago absolutely has global prestige. Duke much less so. Agree with the Johns Hopkins/Berkeley comment. I don't think Berkeley deserves it anymore but reputations linger. Wisconsin used to have a lot of global prestige and it took a long time for it to diminish.[/quote] Really, Berkeley with top academic departments and nobel prize winners even this year does not deserve its reputation. It is a state university and provides phenomenal education and ranks high for upward mobility. If Chicago with its ED0, 1, and 2 and taking medicre private school kids has global prestige, Berkeley is definitely going to be fine for a long time.[/quote]
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