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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Now seven pages in, and not one person has explained how giving the vaccine at birth is harmful.[/quote]

I am offering the following response not because I want to debate you, much less play the “anti-vax” foil, but because there is a real policy choice here that deserves respect and seriousness.

In medicine, the default assumption is that something is *not* safe, and the onus is on the proponents to show that it is. Nothing will be perfectly safe, so the question is whether it is adequately safe for the benefits it provides. In the case of the hep B vaccine, our public health officials have concluded that it is safe enough to warrant approval in view of our benefits. They have also taken it a step further and chosen to “recommend” it in a way that makes it effectively mandatory. The question here is not whether it is so harmful as to warrant being taken off the market—no one is suggesting that—it is simply whether we’ve really struck the right balance given its risks and benefits when we’ve slated it for presumptive administration to all newborns without regard to risk factors. It’s not hard to see why many parents would conclude that we’ve take it a bit far. To suggest that that view is wrong unless the parents can “explain[]” the “harm[]” is not a serious position and is broadly out of step with the approach followed elsewhere in medicine. And at the risk of invoking another cultural shibboleth, I’d be hard-pressed to think many on this message board are well-suited to explain the “harm[s]” of ivermectin, and I doubt you’d suggest that fact somehow justifies the government recommending it. [/quote]

[b]Oh shut up you antivax dummy

Seriously I hope every child that becomes ill or dies haunts you forever[/b][/quote]

Imagine writing this and thinking you’re the good guy.

I hope you find peace and don’t poison our discourse too much in the interim. [/quote]
Imagine being proud of denying vaccines to kids and being comfortable with the fact that some of them will die as a result. You are a ghoul.[/quote]

The "it will only affect 1 percent of kids so this is fine" nutjobs. The same ones who only offer thoughts and prayers when kids are gunned down in schools. [/quote]

[/b]People die. Kids die. It’s part of life.[b]

This is about taking our freedoms back from a corrupted, tyrannical state that has strayed so far from our founder’s vision they would not even recognize the corpse.

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Wow. The thing with vaccination is you put others at risk who would choose vaccination bit have kids too young, etc. Freedom has always been limited by potential harm to others, particularly children.

You mean like when we could have lost the war against Britain if GW didn't implement a smallpox vaccine mandate for our military? How tyrannical of him. [/quote]

Again, people die. Kids die. If you want to vaccinate your children with thousands of medications that contain thousands of different, often poorly understood, chemicals that have never been adequately studied both individually and in combination with one another, that’s fine. You can sign the legal paperwork stating that you understand that by placing your child on the vaccine schedule you are accepting the risk of participating in a experimental medical treatment and that illness, disease, and/or death may result in such participation.

We can chase zero mortality, but that is not realistic. People will die, and kids will die, and there is nothing we can do about it.[b] Trying to force me to participate in your medical cult won’t stop kids from dying. Stripping away the right to choose whether our children participate in highly experimental medical treatments and operations, a right our ancestors fought and died for, won’t stop kids from dying. [/b]It’s a part of life, and we would do well to accept it as such.

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Oh my word. These vaccines have been studied extensively for years. What harm that exceeds the harm of the disease? The wellness industry is less regulated and warns far more than the pharmaceutical industry. Perhaps worry about that more?

If you want to get angry about exposure to chemicals not thoroughly vetted, go bleat at the Trump administration for their approach to PFAs and pesticides. Far more concerning, but you MAHAs voted for it. [/quote]

Actually yes. It reduces kids deaths, same as requiring a carseat, which I also support.

Freedom does not extend to childcare negligence. [/quote]
Carseats don't cause accidents.You should also support things like permanently losing your license for DUI, not allowing seniors to drive, and requiring driver tests every (fill-in-the-blank) years. But you probably don't.

Same goes for your love of kids. Arrest parents who give birth to kids with avoidable genetic diseases, right?

You are sociopathic with this single issue that many kids have zero percent chance of contracting in their first months. [/quote]

Honey, nobody is forcing you to vaccinate your child either before this decision or after. So quit your bizarre ranting about tyranny. Schools require it as they should for a communal setting. Don't like it? Homeschool. Doctors offices may as they are within their rights as a business, no different than a bakery denying a gay couple a cake for their marriage even when there is mo other bakery around for 100 miles. Don't like it? Move.

I assure you 'mah freedom" is still intact for you. [/quote]

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