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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I have already spent too much time on a person that I knew to be willfully ignorant.  If you can’t read or refuse to read, it’s on you.

Everyone else probably can on their own without so much handholding.

You are wrong.

Big surprise.[/quote]

I realize the NY link didn’t show what you thought, but you haven’t provided the requested CA link yet. While you’re Googling it could you check for the Illinois law that requires law enforcement to identify themselves to TikTokers?

I know the laws are out there because someone told me about them on the internet. I used to believe that bulletproof vests full of gear with big POLICE patches, guns, tasers, handcuffs, radios and vehicles covered with flashing police lights meant they were law enforcement. I never realized how important a name plate could be. As a bystander I’d feel a lot better if I could see a last name on their chest.[/quote]

I'm the lawyer/LE spouse above.  USMS/FBI/DEA/ATF LEOs typically don't wear name patches.  That's much more common for state and local police.  The lack of name plates on federal LEOs from those agencies shouldn't suggest wrongdoing by those officers.  [/quote]

Cursing at people, comments about libs, are acceptable? In my own job, this would have me fired. Yet another example of how police orgs, whoever they are, need reform. We have such low standards for their behavior.

They also punched him in the face and it was unnecessary. If hospital security can restrain men twice that guys size, going through withdrawal, without punching, and they do this every day across the country, there is absolutely no excuse. [/quote]

The officers seen in this video aren't with those agencies.  I'm the poster commenting above that they're BOP employees.  I agree their conduct was totally out of line and that it is insane to have corrections officers and prison riot police patrolling the street.

My point was that there are a lot of FBI/ATF/DEA/USMS officers patrolling as part of this.  They always have insignia for their agency, but generally don't wear name tags.  My point is that the lack of nametags isn't indicative of wrongdoing.  Obviously violently subduing an arrestee in the way seen in the video is indicative of wrongdoing.  [/quote]

Yes, and all of this is making life much more dangerous for actual officers.[/quote]

PP here.  Yes, I agree.  As a LE spouse, I'm concerned, although I'm lucky my DH is with an agency that has a lot of goodwill with the public.

I do think it is important to be as informed as possible and distinguish between things that are standard (no name tag) and things that are truly alarming (no agency insignia).  [/quote]

Why wouldn't BOP be required to identify their agency? Also they have no jurisdiction in DC and I can't think of any conceivable reason why they would be "arresting" a delivery guy on a bike on 14th. Is the allegation that guy escaped from a prison? Even then it doesn't make sense.

I have also personally seen independent militia in DC in the last few days. I know they were militia because I looked up the insignia on one of their shirts (designed to look like military to people who don't know better, though DC residents are better than most at telling the difference because we are exposed to various military divisions and federal law enforcement more than most people). These men were "patrolling" a neighborhood. They aren't military, they aren't feds. They are just fascist but jobs who own a lot of tactical gear purchased online. So that's also happening, which is why many seeing this video are skeptical that these men are feds at all. None of the gear they have would be hard to acquire as a civilian, and their behavior and language doesn't evidence that they are LEO conducting valid business in DC.[/quote]

BOP doesn't give their employees agency insignia because well...they work in prisons.  When they're operating in the normal scope of their job, there's no real question who they are.  It's not like there are multiple LE agencies operating inside prisons.

To be clear, I'm not defending it.  Just explaining why I think that's who they are.  [/quote]

Of course they give them agency insignia.  They wear uniforms when they are in prisons.  There are also BOP jackets, T-shirts and caps and an agency patch.

[img]https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/06/04/20/29229734-8388143-image-a-36_1591298575505.jpg[/img]

https://www.511tactical.com/fbop

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Not to be difficult with you, but that patch, much like the punisher flag next to it, isn’t issued by DOJ or BOP.  That’s why you won’t see that design on any government website.  It’s a logo that the officers make themselves.

https://dcist.com/story/17/07/28/activists-call-for-police-officers/[/quote]

Nothing about this guys suggests he is legitimately LE. Looks like a vigilante.[/quote]

I have no idea who that guy is.  That photo is from 2020.

Someone posted it to try and prove that the officers involved in the incident that this thread is about couldn’t possibly be BOP, because they don’t look like that guy. [/quote]

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