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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Reality backed by scien
A very small percentage of academy players past U16 make it to professional division 1 teams

Very few players short in stature will make it from those very few

Several sports are probably the same[/quote]

Spoken like a true American that knows squat about the sport.  The best players ever to lace them up were the smallest in the pitch.  Pele, Maradona, Messi and others like Modric, Iniesta, Xavi all 5'8 or under.  And there is a reason for that.  Low center of gravity allows you to change direction faster while.maintaining good balance.. For a midfielder this is key.

Your point about size is why the US will always be sh#t at the sport when it comes to international level.  And why Spain will always be very good. [/quote]

Four players on the Spain national team currently are 5'8" or shorter

Only four

https://www.espn.com/soccer/team/squad/_/id/164/spain[/quote]

The majority of players are under 6 feet.  Which is generally accepted as the threshold for being tall for an adult male. [/quote]

So the goalposts shifted from 5'8" to 6ft after the data showed a 5'8" average to be manure?[/quote]

It doesn't really matter either way.  The point made is the same. .the average size of a pro footballer is not massive [/quote]

No one anywhere ever said pro football players were massive

You said the average height was 5'8"
The evidence proved you wrong

Accept acknowledge and move on[/quote]
He also keeps using Spain as the example which is known to have shorter teams. That's fine, it's the style they play. But Germany is known to have taller teams and they play a different style than Spain. I wouldn't be surprised if the average height of the German national team is more than the American team.  The point being height is not a defining reason why any country has good or bad teams. [/quote]

Great point.  But it is one of the main criteria we use for our national teams.  Youth or men's.  [/quote]
I know that’s the narrative you like but it’s simply not supported by facts. US is middle of the pack. Avg height ranked 16th out of 32 teams in 2022 world cup. France, Belgium, England, Germany, Portugal all were taller.

https://sportstar.thehindu.com/football/fifa-world-cup/news/fifa-world-cup-tallest-who-is-the-shortest-tallest-player-teams-in-the-qatar-2022-wc-soccer/article66150384.ece

We are not selecting taller players than other countries. The problems with developing soccer players in the US has nothing to do with height. If we took smaller players the team would still struggle.[/quote]

I agree.  It has everything to do with the fact that we don't know how to teach young players how to actually play the game and give them the requisite fundamentals to be a top player (not cones but fundamentals focused on ball retention under pressure).  Why most top players leave the US.  Because we don't have this expertise or ability to teach at the youth ages we have a selection bias for size and speed in the youth pools (because that is what can win at younger ages when you don't have amazing skills) and this often times trumps technical ability.  This selection bias starts to fade toward the men's team because at that point, most of the players aren't coming from the US, they are coming from overseas clubs.  But the selection bias is a very real thing in the US youth pool and if you say anything otherwise, you absolutely don't know what you're talking about.  Period.  Full stop.  [/quote]

And the prior poster was off by 2 inches.  It's isn't 5'8 but 5'10.  [/quote]

Hilarious to see folks argue against the data with their opinions

The USA may be different in some aspects of scouting and youth development, but we sure aren't different in height selection [/quote]

spoken like someone that has never seen how youth players are selected in South America and Europe...[/quote]

How so exactly?[/quote]

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