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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]What does "pp" mean? My child is eligible but was not selected; instead, a swimmer from the 9-10 age group, who is projected to place 6th, was chosen. [b]Isn't summer swim about getting all kids involved? [/b]The children who put in a lot of effort in the 11-12 age group also deserve a chance. Additionally, what about the 9-10 swimmer? Does their time count toward the 9-10 ladder or the 11-12 ladder? That doesn't seem fair either.[/quote]
No, not for A meets.  For B meets it is but the point of A meets is to win.  If the 9-10 year old is faster they get the spot in this situation.  Not all pools do this but sounds like yours does. [/quote]

Regarding the ladder, does a child's time in the A meet, while swimming up an age group, count toward the ladder in the 9-10 group?[/quote]

It’ll show up as a 9-10 time.[/quote]

It's so unfair. Our pool made this decision for our "A" meet tomorrow. A kid didn't make the 9-10 cut, and it looks like an 11-12 year old, who was supposed to swim, isn't competing this week. The powers that be chose the kid who was ranked 4th or 5th on the ladder in the 9-10 category instead of going with a capable 11-12 swimmer who has a slightly slower time. Neither of these kids will score any points. This situation highlights how money can influence decisions at times. The selected child regularly receives private coaching during the offseason, and their parent is quite pushy, always questioning why their child isn’t practicing with certain groups during the club season. They also complain when their child isn’t swimming with the kids selected for the A meet during practice.. [/quote]

But in this case the 9-10 year old would have a better chance of scoring if his time is faster, right? [/quote]

Isn’t this the same situation affecting the displaced 11- to 12-year-olds? These kids work hard but have never had the opportunity to participate in an “A” meet. Yet, a spot was given to a 10-year-old with a slightly faster time, even though neither swimmer would score any points. Why not give the 11-year-old a chance instead? Such decisions risk discouraging kids from continued participation.There are other 11-year-olds on the team who are capable of swimming that stroke and have untapped potential. The 10-year-old could qualify at the next B meet without issue. If points were at stake, this choice might be more understandable—but that’s not the case here. Many parents on the team have voiced their disappointment with this decision, and it’s easy to see why.
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11 year old isn’t as fast as the 10 year old.

Swimming is a time objective sport. A meets aren’t about an 11 year old who “works hard”. A meets are about the fastest times on the team and earning points.

A team has to have a consistent policy about swimming up. In your scenario, neither the 11 or 10 year would earn any points. But what about a 12 year old boy and a 13 year old boy where 12 year old boy would earn points? Obviously you put the fastest swimmer into the meet. So a team would put in the 12 year old but not the 10 year old girl? The policy has to be consistent across the team.

The only caveat I would add is that the coach needs to make sure younger swimmer is comfortable swimming up. It can be quite intimidating for younger kids. If younger swimmer not comfortable, the older swimmer swims and younger skips the A meet event.[/quote]

There are many people on this thread who disagree with you and think summer swimming should be less about winning and more about inclusivity and fun - yes even for A meets. These are member owned and run pools and what the members want should matter - the swim team can’t survive without members who pay the bills. I agree with the people saying eligible 11/12 year olds should get to swim the 11/12 races. [/quote]

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