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Currently, everything you ask for already exists outside TJ.[/quote]
That is false. Until there is zero attainment gap between race and socioeconomic status  the access to proper education to all children will be, by definition inadequate.

I went to a low SES high school. Most of my classes was spent watching the teacher crowd control the class. The total amount of time spent on quality education was literally under 5%. If my parents didn’t insist on me self studying after school I would have been screwed.  Most of my very able classmates weren’t as lucky. [/quote]
You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

The achievement gap between races is largely explainable by an effort gap between races.
Here is some peer reviewed research presented at the proceedings of the national academy of science.
https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1406402111[/quote]

Yes, it's just a proxy for SES and that's why providing these opportunities to the many [b]gifted [/b]lower-income students is more critical than ever. Besides the children of these wealthy families who spend so much on outside enrichment will be fine at any school.[/quote]

If they were gifted, they'd easily qualify for Algebra in 7th.  They'd also likely earn high scores on the PSAT without much or any prep.  Last year in FCPS, there were 14 disadvantaged kids who passed the Algebra II SOL and another 122 who passed the Geometry one.  Bright, disadvantaged kids are more than capable of  meeting a minimum bar of Geometry in 8th.  There's no need to water down TJ admissions for their benefit.  (additionally, 165 black and hispanic kids passed the geometry sol in 8th, so there's no need to water down admissions to capture bright URMs)[/quote]
Where are you getting this info?
I don't doubt you but I have not run across this data organized by race or income.
Did you mean pass or advance pass?[/quote]

It's just an assumption based on my personal bias is all. I mean this isn't factual or anything.[/quote]

WTH is wrong with you?  I provided the link in my previous response.  The info is coming directly from the VDOE website.

Again, for the people who aren't trolls and can actually read:
The VDOE test results build-a-table:
https://p1pe.doe.virginia.gov/apex_captcha/home.do?apexTypeId=306[/quote]

I am the PPP that asked you for the link.?
Thanks for the link.
It is a bit janky and frequently spits out no data result.  Were you looking at SOL pass rates (which is an extremely low threshhold) or advanced pass rates (which is still not particularly fine filter but much better than pass rates)[/quote]
Are you the PP who posted this in response to the data:
"It's just an assumption based on my personal bias is all. I mean this isn't factual or anything."

If you use the tool properly, it should give you data.  It is a bit slow, so you need to be patient.

You can select all of the pass rates, counts, pass advanced, etc. The graph will display all of it in multiple columns for your selected parameters.

I selected division > fairfax County
Grade > 8
Disadvantaged > select both yes and no
Test > Geometry
statistic > all

To select multiple things in a column, click on the first one you want, and then while holding shift, click on the last one.

The data is all there.[/quote]

No I am the PPP (3Ps) that said i don't doubt you
Thanks again for the link.
It looks like youa re talking about the pass rate which is such a low threshhold.[/quote]
A pass in 8th grade geometry is a higher threshold than a pass advanced in 8th grade algebra. Such a student would be much better prepared for TJ geometry than one who got pass advanced in 8th grade algebra.

Also, is pass advanced in algebra even a requirement for TJ? I thought it was just being enrolled in 8th grade algebra.[/quote]

The requirement is for A's in honors math and honors science and completion of Algebra 1 H by the end of 8th grade. SOL scores are not included in the application. You could not require a Pass Advanced in Algebra for TJ since the kids taking Algebra 1 H in 8th grade will not have taken that SOL by the time applications are due. They are not going to provide provisional acceptances for kids for TJ or delay waiting for SOL scores to  determine who has been accepted because it would be too late in the year.

I don't think that it is unreasonable to expect Pass Advanced in English and Math SOLs in 7th grade but that is not included on the test. Heck, they could actually include a math MAP score that is needed if the wanted to that would indicate where a child is in their math fluency.

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all this convoluted justification instead of a straightforward 'tryout evaluation' for forming a qualified team ( TJ class)?[/quote]

If people had not made test banks that caused the test scores to be invalid then they would be using the Quant test. When test prep schools advertise that they are getting in a high number of their students and those students discuss memorizing questions to build up a test bank, you lose the Quant test. (shrugs)
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And test prep schools are now prepping for the new test. [/quote]

Kids from affluent families will always have some advantages. No need to drive the disparity even further. 
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