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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Prestige.  Plain and simple. Look at this forum. The constant Ivy League, T10, T20, etc.

All parents want prestige, but it’s a college education that is most important.  That degree. Really, any degree is fine. For most careers, that is all that matters. Where they receive it is rather moot.

I recently went to a presentation and the attorney graduated from Towson pre-law and University of Baltimore School of Law.  Not prestigious, but he is doing fabulous and happy. [/quote]

Okay, but by this logic GMU should never “surpass” anyone. At best it is equivalent.[/quote]

Correct. There is not much history of a run of the mill state school overtaking a flagship. I actually can’t think of any examples. [/quote]

UCLA was the Los Angeles division of Berkeley and is now ranked higher, I believe.  [/quote]
? ranked higher where and for what?

To me, Cal = STEM, and UCLA is more for humanities and/or premed.

I have friends/family who went to both, in state.[/quote]

DP. I was at UCLA recently; they have banners up all over the place that its the #1 ranked public school. Berkeley held that spot for decades.
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University of Florida used to have number one public university banners when they were ranked #1 by Wall Street journal.  Just because UCLA is good at patting themselves on the back, doesn’t mean they’re ranked higher.

Berkeley is ranked #1 public by WSJ, Forbes, Washington monthly, Times, QS, [b]usnews [/b]global, arwu, not to mention ranked top three in undergrad CS, business, psychology, economics, and engineering.  They have like 28 top five graduate programs.

Don’t let the banners fool you. [/quote]

They put the banners up because of US News. UCLA is 15 and UCB is 17. No dog in this fight. UCLA is proud let them be proud.

What's with the pro-Berkeley reply on a GMU thread?  As far as I'm concerned count yourself lucky to get accepted into either: UCLA or Berkeley.

Also - No banners at Berkeley only a few signs for reserved parking just for: Nobel Laurates.  That's how you put banners up. Still no dog in this fight just calling them as I see them.[/quote]

No pro-Berkeley or pro-ucla comments here, just calling it AS I SEE THEM.  Not saying LA can’t be proud.  They can put up a banner on top of the Hollywood sign for all I care.  I just find it odd to make a general statement “ucla has surpassed…” based on banners and one magazine’s opinion, no matter how popular it is. Berkeley earned its reputation through generations of remarkable achievements, and it continues to beat UcLA today in almost every measurable academic achievement and student outcome.

But if you’re saying it’s Berkeley’s fault for not having UCLA’s Joseph goebbel-esque propaganda machine, then I agree with you.  Berkeley’s marketing has always sucked.  They can literally drape that university with #1 banners from like six different rankings.  Their college of chemistry, CS, engineering, English, history, economics, etc can put up #1  or top 3 banners.   It would certainly help their application count and yield rate.  I mean, it certainly help shape one perception of one person on this thread.[/quote]

Ok. Berkeley is better.  Now do - Stanford vs Berkeley. [/quote]

I’ll give it to Stanford by a hair.  I’ll give berkeley the nod for having more top 10/5 programs, more Nobel prize, richer history.  But Stanford is imo the world’s greatest university today because of its well-roundedness, impact on tech (which is what’s changing the world today), etc.  Stanford is what you get if you take Berkeley and turned it into a private school. [/quote]

Final CA match-up Berkeley vs CalTech[/quote]

For undergraduate, Caltech easily.[/quote]

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