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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]We have long known that processed meat - bacon, sausage, pepperoni, as well as red meat is a carcinogen and it has been recognized as such and due to the industry you never ever hear about avoiding it on a regular basis whereas right now, huge alcohol is the devil message everywhere. [/quote]

What's your gut instinct about why the focus is alcohol now vs red meat, processed food, environmental factors, etc? [/quote]

DP here. It’s two things: the cannabis lobby and further testing by government to see how messaging works to change society. Will enough of society stop thinking critically and follow the herd if the right messaging is repeated over and over? For the last year, the answer was largely yes, but I think people are finally starting to wake up.[/quote]

+1  I'm really starting to buy into the conspiracy theory that the cannabis lobby is behind the recent negative messaging around alcohol.  Even in DCUM you had a post immediately after the surgeon general's recommendation asking for recommendations of gummies or a THC drink to replace alcohol.[/quote]

You think the cannabis lobby is more powerful than the booze lobby? Come on.[/quote]

OP here. You've summarized my take.  Something seems off-normal and coordinated about the campaign to tell us that our skin, sleep, and spirit will improve with no alcohol. And it also seems that there's a lot of cannabis ads. But I would be surprised if cannabis is better organized than alcohol. Maybe cannabis is being bought up by powerful companies? On its face, it doesn't seem like this is the likely reason for all of this. [/quote]

There is simply something going on here. In the NYT This Morning email there was a link to yet ANOTHER article about cutting back on alcohol. After just running one on Monday. One commenter on this article--because again, at least a few are starting to ask why, NYT--one person said they think it's Biden's last-ditch effort to make some kind of difference. That may be a stretch, and it's pretty pathetic. But something is up. This just doesn't make sense. Article after article, with nothing new. [/quote]

I think the main thing that’s going on is that they reassessed the study/studies that suggested wine had any health benefits — turns out the benefits were relative only; wine drinkers weren’t being compared to non-drinkers, only to drinkers of hard liquors. Then the more they looked at the  data using real controls, the worse it seemed.

Did people assume “something was up” when the media started discussing the harms of cigarettes, I wonder? It feels comparable — something that most of us do, that humans have done forever, that’s a source of real pleasure, that we assume probably isn’t great but can’t be *that* bad. If anyone remembers the anti-smoking shift, I’d be curious if the conversation/skepticism feels similar. [/quote]

None of what you say is accurate. That's the problem. It's so easy for the government and media to fear-monger because they know they majority of people do not or are not able to understand the science behind it. Read the studies. Smoking was proven to directly cause cancer. Moderate drinking has not been so definitevely. You have to read the studies with just a tiny bit of care to understand this. But you read shallow articles and get your information from DCUM and Instagram and simply don't understand the facts.[/quote]

I think it’s all these apps the techies use. We are all quickly able to see alcohol’s impact on heart rate, sleep, calories, weight, etc.

Plus everyone uses social media and zoom, so your weight and puffy face has more permanency than ever before.

Plus everyone uses those workout apps which share all of your physical activities.

It’s become really sad and cringe, for lack of a better word, to be seen as some lazy and puffy boozer. Eating cleanly. Living cleanly. Walking around in form-fitting workout clothes and yoga pants. Hiking.

Boozing just isn’t trendy and cool anymore. Boozing after work and happy hours are seen as like a boomer thing. Having lots of will-power to be a teetotaler is cool now.[/quote]

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