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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]There is now at both EH and SH approximately 30 students in each grade who get 4s and 5s on the CAPE math test.  That is a cohort.  Is Latin better?  Most would say yes and especially yes if you care about having a decent high school locked in.  But it is also now a very difficult lottery spot to land.  Is Hardy better?  Most would say yes but it is also a pretty lengthy daily commute from the eastern side of the city even with a lottery spot.  Basis is pretty controversial - and the 5th grade waitlist movement and 7th-9th grade attrition there both speak to that.  I think its increasingly common to not get into Latin, turn down Basis, and try a Hill area dcps middle school.[/quote]

Sorry but 30 students who are grade level and above is good??  Grade level is the floor.  Please let us know how many kids at SH and EH actually are above grade level.  4 or 5?[/quote]

The data works out to about 3 kids who are above grade level.

Summary, there are no cohort of high performing kids in math at either schools. [/quote]

Not sure where you are getting the 3 from? 
For the sake of all the children in DC (not my own) do I wish they were all on grade level? Yes - bc it would positively impact their future academic years and beyond.
In the end of the day there seems to be two camps of people on this forum who have different perspectives/approaches to education, and like our super polarized world it seems like there is it is hard to get people to see their other perspective.
I will say two things (that I think have already been said...) My experience being at one of those two schools is that the teachers don't lower expectations, sadly some students do not complete or submit all assignments, but the essays, science projects, math tests, novels read, etc - they are on level and challenging. I am sure there are a lot of reasons why some work is not completed (absenteeism, missing some foundational skills etc) and that needs to be addressed to help those kids be successful, but it does not impact the quality of work/assignments the other kids are completing.
Second, and this seems really controversial on here for some reason, but it is really not helpful to define a whole school by looking at one CAPE/PARCC test score. Sure, it's all we have so I get why people look at it, and it does highlight overall trends and gaps, but for anybody who has worked in or is aware of what goes on in a school, it is far far far from an accurate way to capture what kids are actually learning/doing in a school.[/quote]

Of course expectations are lowered when majority of kids are below grade level.  We see that way earlier in upper elementary at title 1 schools.

I highly doubt it’s going to be any different and likely worst in middle school.  If expectations were not lowered, then lots of these kids would not pass onto the next grade.

That’s the big issue in DCPS is social promotion.  Nobody fails or gets held back, everyone moves on no matter what. Then deficiencies compound year after year and you are left with less then 5% of students on grade level by high school.[/quote]

Totally agree. This is what I heard straight from the mouth of a DCPS middle school teacher. She said she isn't allowed to fail kids, which means, for example, if she assigns something, and they don't turn it in , she's not allowed to give them a zero. She has to manufacture a passing grade for everyone student, even when they are clearly not doing anything or learning. As a result, the assignment really is not actually required of any of kids. Of course that lowers the standards.

The deficiencies do compound, which is how you end up with a high school degree that is meaningless.

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you’ll be amazed to know EH actually gives Ds and Fs! [/quote]

I'm sure they do! Do kids who get Fs in 6th grade get to love on to 7th grade?[/quote]

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