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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]If half of abortions occurring in the second trimester, after 20 weeks, are the result of not  having the funds to get an abortion, then you definitely aren’t paying for a 20,000 plus procedure in the third trimester.[/quote]

This is the real issue.  People are getting abortions late for reasons OTHER than birth defects or health of mother.  [/quote]

OP again.  This is the claim I’d like to fact-check.

How many third-trimester terminations are for reasons OTHER THAN birth defects or physical health of the mother?

No has answered that yet.[/quote]

DP I think the simple answer to your question is that nobody knows because nobody is keeping track of this data. [/quote]

OP again.  Thx.

Sadly, people littered this thread with political statements even after I said not to.  And while some information has been shared (thx again),  we still do not have facts, which makes debating this kinda pointless.

My guess is you are probably right: no one is keeping track of this data.

If so, there really is no reliable answer to my question: how many third-trimester terminations are purely elective.

Unless someone can post some actual data in answer to my question, there’s no longer much point to anyone posting (again: stop posting political responses! This is about ascertaining basic facts. That’s all).[/quote]

Heres my thing OP. Your obsession with elective is clouding the fact there are REAL reasons to have a 3rd trimester abortion. And by focusing on elective, which OB/GYNs dont do in 3rd trimester, you take from women who are experiencing real pain and loss. Its grotesque. And you WANT to find elective people so that you can say well if there are 4 people having elective abortions then no one should get it because deep down you dont actually agree with abortion.

People dont have 25-35k and weeks off. Every fed employee who has fed insurance wouldnt be able to get it covered and is unable to get any abortion covered.

And people who want an elective abortion will find a back alley provider or conduct infanticide. You arent thinking rationally. Rationally, someone who wants to abort a fetus- ELECTIVELY- will find a way to do it or will kill an unwanted child because no one grows a fetus in their belly and electively says No, put me under, kill a healthy child, heres 30k  plus 1-2 weeks to recover.

Theres your rational answer and facts. 
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Your response is NOT a factual response to the request for mathematical data this thread is premised upon.

Why couldn’t you simply have said: “I do not know the answer. Here’s my opinion?”[/quote]

And furthermore, you don’t know me.  My sibling had an abortion.  My ex had an abortion.  I offered to accompany a close friend to her scheduled PP appointment and promised to hold her hand during a termination and help get her through it (she miscarried prior to the appt though).

Why do so many of you fail to read / comprehend ?  I AM PRO CHOICE!!

What I’m asking is a simple FACTUAL question about 3rd Trimester / 27 weeks-numbers, WITHOUT politics, but instead all I get is opinions and politics.

If you don’t know, don’t post.

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You have gotten plenty of answers on that. Why don’t you respond to them?[/quote]

So: you don’t know the answer.

Why did you respond to a question with a question?  Still no data?  [/quote]

Why did you ignore this post?

“KFF:

While very limited contemporary data exists on this issue, a study from 1992 estimated 0.02% of all abortions occurred after 26 weeks gestation [b](320 to 600 cases per year)[/b].

https://www.kff.org/women...dobbs-era/“

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Because shes asking for elective. The data you provided likely includes elective and medically necessary. [/quote]

And why is the cdc link on page 8 being ignored?

But more to the point, why does OP not understand that “purely elective” abortions don’t really happen late in a pregnancy?  Why not comprehend that it’s just not a thing?

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Because it’s not true. Multiple surveys have been posted here in which women are explaining their reasoning for obtaining elective third trimester abortions, including delays in receiving care/raising funds earlier.  [/quote]
That “study” is junk science. No attempt to verify information was done. It’s worthless.
We have rough numbers and the word of doctors who have taken the Hippocratic oath. [/quote]

It was peer reviewed and published so…no.  The fact that you don’t like the survey doesn’t make it worthless.  No doctors have said that there are zero elective abortions. [/quote]
I have no feelings either way. Can you post where their stories were corroborated, because I couldn’t find anything. [/quote]

This was a medical journal Perspectives on Sexual and Reproductive Health, and you can look up their peer review policies online.  Scientific journals go through a verification and peer review process prior to publication.  [/quote]

I’ve read the report. Please point out where any attempt to verify claims can be found. I’ll admit that I’ve skimmed it, but haven’t found it. [/quote]

Do you understand the peer review process of scientific journal? This is standard. Why are you suggesting this publication would be any less verified than their other research - because you are uncomfortable with the women’s words?[/quote]
No. I’m extremely well aquatinted with the pro life movement. Please look up Abby Johnson. It’s is not a movement grounded in logic, data or the truth.
So it’s lovely that someone wanted to do a study in good faith re: women’s reasons for third trimester abortions, but if they didn’t adequately account for a percentage of people that are motivated by religious zealotry with no compunction to lie to achieve their goals, then… it’s a worthless study. 
And the prolife moment has worked 40 years to force their agenda and that included judges lying before congress under oath.
So again. The study isn’t worth anything.
Women get third trimester abortions because their health or the health of the fetus demand it.
The end. [/quote]

The publication isn’t pro life, it’s Perspectives on Sexual and Reproductive Health. The authors made the case for increased and earlier access in the media.[/quote]

Wonderful for them. Did they account for their research being F’d by pro life lying nut jobs? 
Because at no point in the last 40 years has anyone on the left been prepared for how craven forced birth advocates actually are. [/quote]

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