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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Asian Indian Americans are making sure we get from point A to point me when I drop my DD at her playdate with Google maps provided  by Google CEO, who is Indian.  I run my family as a technical support analyst due to Microsoft software, provided by Microsoft CEO, who is Indian, etc. Most of our America runs on technologies that are either managed or created by American Indians.  [/quote]

Okay? Not seeing any relationship to anything on this thread here…[/quote]

Welp, a lot of people here seem to be implying that indian americans are dishonest and the only reason they were so over-represented is because they cheat and buy test answers.  
The poster you are responding to is saying that if that were true, then how would we explain all the contributions of indian american to the technological revolution we are going through.
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Nope. No one is implying that. DP.

There has been discussion about test prep centers (not just curie) that have unethically obtained questions and shared with paying customers.

Those people don’t represent all Indian-Americans.  :roll: 
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Of course they are.  All the dog whistles and belled references to "cultural differences" are pretty transparent.  You're saying that there are a lot of Indians at tj because they cheat.  You equate test prep to cheating and point out how "some communities" do a lot of test prep and basically but their way into TJ.

You never respond to the question about why they're aren't more white kids at tj if you can just buy your way in.  [/quote]

No, I’m saying any of that.

It was well known in my affluent area that you could greatly improve chances of admissions by paying $$$ for prep classes. This was common knowledge to most MC/UMC families.

TJ students who took prep classes acknowledged this gave them an unfair advantage.

AND Asian kids from low-income families benefited the most from these changes.

1. CHANGES TO TJ ADMISSIONS PROCESS
[b]FCPS has changed the TJ admissions process multiple times over the years to address systemic inequalities. [/b]

https://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/8W9QET68F25B/$file/Changes%20to%20TJHSST%20Admissions%20Since%202004.pdf

https://www.fcag.org/tjadmissions.shtml

https://virginiamercury.com/2024/02/20/supreme-court-wont-hear-thomas-jefferson-admissions-case/

Before the most recent change, the class of 2024 had [u]less than 1% (0.6%) of the students came from economically-disadvantaged families[/u]. There was also very little representation from the less affluent schools.

2. CONCERN ABOUT TJ PREP INDUSTRY 
[b]There was also public concern about the TJ test prep industry that led, in part, to changes in the admissions process.[/b] By reverse engineering the admissions criteria/process, prep companies offered kids an unfair advantage in admissions. In fact, back in 2017 the SB switched to quant-q, which intentionally didn’t share prep, in an effort to reduce this unfair advantage.

https://www.washingtonian.com/2017/04/26/is-the-no-1-high-school-in-america-thomas-jefferson-fairfax-discrimination/
[i]“ “[u]Is it gonna once again advantage those kids whose parents can pay to sign them up for special prep camps [/u]to now be prepping for science testing as well?” Megan McLaughlin asked when presented with the new plan.

[u]Admissions director Jeremy Shughart doesn’t think so[/u]. The firm that markets the math portion of the test, Quant-Q, doesn’t release materials to the public, a practice that should make them harder for test-prep schools to crack.”[/i]

This has all been discussed countless times on DCUM. Feel free to go read old threads for more details.

4. TJ STUDENTS ACKNOWLEDGED UNFAIR ADVANTAGE
[b]TH students and others have acknowledged the unfair advantage that money can buy.[/b]

https://www.tjtoday.org/29411/features/students-divided-on-proposed-changes-to-admissions-process/
[i]“ “Personally, TJ admissions was not a challenge to navigate. I had a sibling who attended before me. However, a lot of resources needed to navigate admissions cost money. That is an unfair advantage given to more economically advantaged students,” junior Vivi Rao said. ”[/i]

5. TJ STUDENTS ADMIT SHARING QUANT-Q QUESTIONS 
[b]TJ students admitted both on DCUM and on Facebook, anonymously and with real name, that they shared quant-q test questions with a test prep company or they saw nearly identical questions on the test. [/b]
https://www.facebook.com/tjvents
Thread started July 11, 2020

I have screenshots but won’t share because they have student names on them.

https://www.tjtoday.org/23143/showcase/the-children-left-behind/
[i]“ Families with more money can afford to give children that extra edge by signing them up for whatever prep classes they can find. [u]They can pay money to tutoring organizations[/u] to teach their children test-taking skills, “skills learned outside of school,” and [u][b]to access a cache of previous and example prompts, as I witnessed when I took TJ prep[/b][/u]; even if prompts become outdated by test changes, even access to old prompts enables private tutoring pupils to gain an upper edge over others: pupils become accustomed to the format of the writing sections and gain an approximate idea of what to expect.”[/i]

8. LOW-INCOME ASIAN STUDENTS BENEFITED THE MOST FROM CHANGES
https://www.ca4.uscourts.gov/opinions/221280.P.pdf
page 16
[i]"Nevertheless, in the 2021 application cycle, Asian American students attending middle schools historically underrepresented at TJ saw a sixfold increase in offers, and the [b]number of low-income Asian American admittees to TJ increased to 51 [/b]— from a mere one in 2020."[/i]
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