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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]^^ and this is why it’s easy to see who has a kid without a Feb/early March bday when they argue it’s equitable the way it is. I get that they need some kind of cut off but to say it’s fair is wrong. If it is so fair, then do it for summer swim and kids age up mid season. The same relay problem happens during club swimming when a kid ages up…so that’s the same problem year round. [/quote]
The summer swim argument is a completely different issue. It’s like an 8 week season and a PITA to deal with aging kids up on their birthdays, although in theory I wouldn’t be opposed to it. Relays are a fun part of the big club meets but they mean nothing and often the kids swimming the relays are from all different sites of a club and may have never met each other before that day. In a true individual sport like club swim is, you can’t have a kid that turned 11 in January swimming 10 and under events in mid/late March. Your argument really boils down to wanting to disadvantage someone other than your February/March birthday kid. [/quote]

Nope. It’s not about disadvantaging someone else. It’s about consistency and not disadvantaging anyone.

Do you really think an 11 yr +2 months is very different from a 10 yr 11 months?  The 10 year old with an April birthday is 10 yr+11 mos swimming against 9 yr+0 mos currently. Is that more fair?[/quote]
Oh please, it absolutely is about disadvantaging someone else as long as that someone is not your kid. It’s an individual sport that is divided by age group categories, there is no reason to swim as anything other than your actual age.  [/quote]

Who is it disadvantaging? Please do tell. [/quote]
Are you really that obtuse? You know damn well that allowing kids who turn 11 in January to race as 10 and unders in mid to late March disadvantages the spring birthday kids who would otherwise be in line to make finals, be on relays, etc. [/quote]

Are YOU serious? You’re talking about kids who are 3 months apart in age. [/quote]
You're literally arguing to change the cutoff because YOU don't like how it falls relative to your kid's birthday.  You aren't saying that cutoffs aren't fair, but just that you don't like when this one falls.  That's crazy.  Your proposed cutoff is no more fair and is 100% more arbitrary than the current cutoff.

--parent of a kid with an August birthday who is the youngest and disadvantaged on every single team except summer swim[/quote]

What?! There is no cutoff! That’s the point! There is no point at which a swimmer can finish their season in their age group even if their birthday is the day before the meet. Do you think a kid gains a year of size, strength, and development on the day they turn a new age? How is it arbitrary to let a child finish their season in the same age group they competed in the entire season, right up to the champs meet? Do you think this would only apply to one age group? No - it would be across the board. How is that disadvantaging anyone??[/quote]
There is too a cutoff.  It's on the meet invite and is typically the first day of the meet.  Changing the cutoff to whatever arbitrary date you suggest (Jan 1?) Just disadvantages different kids with different birthdays.  In your example, the kid with the December 31 birthday would age up while your January 2 birthday would swim down an age group.  [/quote]
You’re doing a good job but there is no reasoning with this poster. [/quote]

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