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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Student was never going to Brown or Georgetown. Or GW due to cost. Parents were limiting attendance to instate Virginia schools. Just being sneaky about it.

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Wrong.

Brown’s average admit GPA is 3.9 and 4.3 for weighted.

Yale and Princeton cite 3.9 as their average incoming GPA.

It’s the crazy publics—-MoCO with their 5.0 scale and some Nova schools with unlimited AP courses (which the kids then can’t score a 4 or 5 at the end of the year on the exam).

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What am I missing?  You are conflating weighted with unweighted grades.  The average weighted grade at an Ivy is not a 3.9.[/quote]

And it's not above a 4.3 either!!  That's my point.  If you have an unweighted 4.0 with a minimum of 6-8 AP courses--you are more than fine for the top 10 schools.  At UVA a kid like that would be cutoff, even with high scores because of the serious grade inflation in VA public schools ([b]and multiple chances to retake exams and bring grades up-[/b]-not realistic) and the need to be a grind and take 12-15 AP courses even when you can't pass the AP exams for them.  That's the kind of student that ends up there.  [/quote]

NP. FCPS certainly has some funky grading policies post-covid, but the impact of their policies on high acheiving students, the kind who would get into UVA, IMO is negligible. [b]Unless the policy has changed since last year, retake grades max out at an 80%, even if a kid's score is 100%. Kids with high GPAs aren't typically the ones getting 80% on assessments and then pulling As in the classes.[/b]

Also grade inflation is not the same thing as grade weighting. Just because you hear a student has a 4.3 GPA, that isn't inflation per se, that's weighting. In FCPS, to get into UVA, you have to be amongst the strongest students in your school. At Langley HS last year that GPA hovered around a 4.5. That's no different than local privates who might grade on a 4.0 scale.

UVA also wants kids to take the most rigorous course load, which does lead to kids cramming in APs in FCPS. Which sucks. [/quote]

This may be true at some FCPS schools, but not where I teach.  Students can retake and pull their grades up to an A.  It's decided by CT so it could vary depending on the class.[/quote]

NP here. Well, your school is doing in wrong then. At my kid's school, there are retakes but you can't pull a failing grade up to an A that someone else earned the first time. Essays are written as a first draft, commented on, and kids re-write based on comments. Much like writing a paper/grant/article in the real world. For math/science, different teachers have different rules but most only allow half the points missed to be recovered after the re-take.

When I was in school, there were no re-takes. Guess what most kids did? Saw the red Xs on their test, the subpar grade and moved on to the next unit with little understanding of what they did wrong. And demoralized thinking they just "didn't get math" or whatever. School should be about learning, not just grades.

I'm guessing now though that all the posters here constantly screaming about grade inflation are either trolls who hate public schools or otherwise should talk to their schools about implementing change in the grading system.

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They don’t want school to be about learning.

They want school to be about the kind of competitions  their kids are good at.

The point of a test is not to demonstrate mastery, it’s to demonstrate rank. A 99 is objectively better than a 98! Now you can properly sort everyone.

“Is a 99 different from a 98 in a statistically meaningful way?” Wrong question!

“Does a 99 show more actual mastery than a 98?” Wrong question!

“Does a 99 mean my kid gets the admissions offer and yours doesn’t?” Right question!

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Total agree with the two PPs.

I was initially against any form of re-take -- WE didn't get that when we were in school! I was in the top 10 of my FCPS class and I did it the old fashioned way -- I scored high the first time. But you know what, I'm not sure I was really always learning, rather, I was a good test-prepper and could regurgitate information test by test.

I have come to see that giving kids another shot at a re-test is perhaps giving them another change to actually learn the information. And note -- you are not required to re-take nor does the class progression stop so that kids can re-take. These kids are putting in the time and effort to retake as they are still moving on to new material. I respect the kid that tries again vs shrugs, accepts that they didn't do well and doesn't bother trying.

Someone once gave the analogy with a trade school -- if you failed your welding test or didn't do quite was well as it should, you practice over and over until you can get it right. Why not give a kid a chance to practice that math over and over or that physics program or whatever.

Are schools for learning so that we can have an educated citizenry who can advance through more complicated material and chose a path of their liking? Or is it all a competition - the race to nowhere - a video game where the person with the most points "wins" - wins what exactly?  
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