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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The immigration issue is going to torpedo the Democrats. [/quote]

Not nearly as much as the abortion issue will torpedo the Republicans.  The Democrats are currently riding a wave of being the lesser of two evils and that's not likely to subside by the 2024 elections.

So far, the November 2022 and November 2023 election cycles have shown that the abortion issue has been a major issue for voters.  For a mid-term and an off-year election, any state that has had abortion rights at the ballot box has seen a huge increase in voters under 35 (the largest segment that normally has low voter turnout) and suburban women, which has traditionally been the make or break demographic.  In both demographics, the high turnout rate has been voting overwhelming Democratic to enshrine reproductive rights.

Kansas had record turnouts in 2022 and the deep red state voted for a Constitutional amendment protecting abortion rights.  Same in Ohio 2023.  In Kentucky, another deep red state, Democrat Andy Beshear won reelection as governor running on a ticket to protect women's reproductive rights.  In Virginia, prior to the election,  Republican controlled House and a Democratic controlled Senate.  With abortion rights as a major platform issue, November 2023, saw the Democrats win both chambers of the Virginia legislature.

With the overturning of Roe v Wade, abortion rights has become the dominant election decider.  And Biden and the Democrats will be riding this to a third straight Democratic winning election.[/quote]

Just imagine what we could do from an electoral standpoint if we had a viable presidential candidate to run against Trump. Biden still has a chance to beat Trump and I hope he does but man it sure would be fun to watch a legitimate candidate lock in the victory with a 1984 Reagan like landslide crushing of Trump and MAGA! A cozy Rehoboth retirement village is calling your name Joe! lol[/quote]

I'm the PP you are responding to.  I think Biden is correct, though.  If Biden doesn't run, Trump holds the upper hand as a former President.  Biden can "trump" Trump (pun intended) as the incumbent.  So he can cancel out the incumbency between them.  And I believe that there are still more anybody-but-Trump voters than anybody-but-Biden voters.  So, Biden can cancel out Trump. However, with Trump in the race without Biden, he does hold an edge as he would have the vote of people who vote for incumbency or "experience".  There are still many less read voters who will vote for the higher name recognition and they will recognize Trump as a former President, so they will vote for him because he has the experience that a new candidate will not have.  There are many people who will vote, but do not pay much attention to issues.

Biden has also implied that he is only running to prevent Trump from regaining the presidency.  If Trump were to withdraw or get knocked out of the race, I would guess that Biden would also withdraw from the race.[/quote]

Are you suggesting that the elderly, bumbling Biden would be more appealing to swing voters in swing states than Whitmer? That's the most ridiculous thing I've heard in 6 weeks. Biden is a big time liability to the party at this point.[/quote]

No.  I am saying that Biden is the only one who can definitely beat Trump.  He negates the former President incumbent benefit.

I think that Whitmer is an amazing candidate, but I'm not certain that she can beat the MAGA GOP steamroller.  Without Biden in the race, essentially Trump would immediately get a bump from those people who like incumbents or those that are already experienced with the office that they are running for.  Biden is the only opponent that can negate that bonus for Trump.[/quote]

+1. And I know the conventional wisdom is that Hillary Clinton was a terrible candidate, blah, blah, blah, but I don't think you can get away from the fact that some people hated her in part because she's a woman. I think there are people that don't even consciously understand that they don't like her because she's a woman because bias against women runs that deep. The acceptance of Trump's objectively offensive behavior against and around women is also proof of that.

Two old men running against each other is a level playing field.[/quote]

Saying Hillary didn’t get elected because she’s a woman is about like saying people didn't like Hitler because he was a Taurus.[/quote]

I don't know Hitler's astrological sign But I do know white men who said they would never vote for a woman for President[/quote]

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