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I think scores should be required, period.

The "doesn't test well" is a myth. My son with special needs didn't test well until we got him diagnosed, taught him organizational skills and half-medicated (he couldn't take the optimal dose of meds due to medical concerns, but a little was better than nothing).

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The fact that you have a “special needs” child and the process of getting him help didn’t teach you a damn dose of empathy or understanding for similar or even worse off kids for whom the “solution” isn’t so neat and tidy says a lot about you. The universe tried to teach you a lesson to make you a better person and you failed. [/quote]

No. You are wrong. The only way we can keep making progress in this world is to push the high-achieving people to the top of the chain, to give them opportunities to change the world.

I am humble enough to recognize that this may not be my family. My kids will find their place in the world, I don't worry about that. But as a species, we need to stay competitive, figure out a way to mitigate climate change, manage massive financial upheavals, travel to other planets, cure diseases, harness AI, etc. If you deliberately prevent the talented from rising, by eliminating the easiest, simplest and most efficient filters at our disposal, then you are NOT helping our species survive.

This isn't about my kid or your kid. It's about a more long-term approach to specie evolution.
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You know who is innovative? Creative people. Who may or may not test well. Lets have a test that demonstrates innovation. The SAT/ACT is not it. [/quote]

I’m all for restoring the ACT/SAT and adding a creativity measure that’s been validated. Sure, why not?

Certainly better than TO, which will just go down as the defective “everyone gets a trophy” era.[/quote]

+1. TO is the equivalent to “everyone gets a trophy”.[/quote]

This doesn’t make logical sense, it’s just hysteria. My kid is at a T25 after reporting a 34. On CC, there were kids who were rejected that same year with a 35, and 36. Of course, now people will cry “yield!” One metric isn’t the end all be all, otherwise every single school would be filled kids scoring 35 and 36 and 1580-1600.

My other kid applied TO, [b]so are you saying that he doesn’t deserve a trophy?[/b] It’s probably one your kid doesn’t even want. It’s greed and desperation on your part to hoard all these invisible trophies.

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If you don't finish the race, qualify--you don't get the trophy.  For top 25 schools there used to be a minimum cutoff for standardized testing.  Your kids 34 is very much aligned with top scores. 34-36 is a range for top 25.

Look - I came in at 3:41 and missed the 3:40 to qualify for the Boston Marathon that year.  That's life.  I didn't apply to schools that my scores weren't in range with even though my GPA was...[/quote]

Here’s the problem with your analogy:  the Boston marathon is literally a race. The only factor that matters is time.  But the SAT is, AT BEST, a very remote indicator of a student’s qualifications.  It’s like deciding who makes the basketball team with a free throw shooting contest.  It might not be completely irrelevant, but it also doesn’t tell you much at all about how a good a basketball player they are.  It’s waaaay down the list.   After ball handling, passing, “live” (ie, defended) shooting, defense, rebounding, and intangibles like hustle and selflessness.  Same with students.  You cannot just say, look, high GPA and test scores = best incoming class.  Any population of humans is far more complex than that.  [/quote]

That's fair, but what if you decided who made the basketball team by allowing players to submit their best stats. That's kind of where we are with college admissions. Only the highest stats are being submitted, causing students confusion and hysteria when trying to decode if they fall within the middle 50% of the x number of students who even submitted scores. If you had all the data and reviewed it holistically, you would have a more realistic representation of the true middle 50%. [/quote]

Stats are just a snapshot in a relatively short time frame for a student. [/quote]

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