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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]No person should be judged and condemned forever on the worst act of their lives when they act was committed when they were very young and thus their frontal lobe not fully developed. We know from neuroscience that the brains of teenagers are fundamentally different than the brains of adults. It is far more reprehensible for an fully functioning normal IQ adult to commit a murder than for a teenager to commit a murder.

Throwing people away at 15, 16, 17 just doesn't make sense. Of course there should be accountability, but teenagers have a far greater capacity for rehabilitation than do adult offenders, and we should give them the opportunity. Very few teenage offenders are psychopaths or sociopaths - and we can assess for those that are. The black and white thinking displayed in many of the comments on this board is chilling. You think you know that your teenager is incapable of heinous acts, but you don't in fact know this. Plenty of the teenagers in the juvenile justice system were raised by good parents who instilled good morals. But the human brain is what it is, and in young humans it is highly volatile, impulsive and lacks capacity to appreciate long term consequences. Add to that intoxicating substances and the recipe far too often leads to disaster.

Here is just one story of the capacity for rehabilitation; there are thousands more out there.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/20/us/philadelphia-larry-miller-edward-white/index.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/21/nike-executive-larry-miller-thankful-family-of-man-he-killed-forgives-him.html[/quote]

If teen offenders can’t be expected to behave like a human being until they’re 40 and low IQ offenders can’t be expected to behave like an human being at all ever (per your comment) then they should be locked up until 40 or forever, respectively, to keep the rest of society safe after they commit one violent crime.

Your heart is bleeding for the wrong people. Start caring about the innocent victims! That’s who we need to protect.[/quote]

I *DO* care for victims as well as offenders. Unlike most of the self righteous ninnies posting comments to this thread, I have actually spent decades working in the criminal justice system as a victim advocate, defense attorney, prosecutor and dependency/neglect attorney on child neglect/abuse cases. I have doubtless far more education and training on the issues pertinent to this subject than any of you, most of you have merely got opinions that apparently come out of your anuses. I have seen firsthand both the agony AND capacity for forgiveness exhibited by victims and their families. Life is not black and white, it is a million permutations of grey. Again, you think your children are incapable of violent crime. NO CHILD is incapable of violent crime. No adult is incapable of violent crime.

Grow the F up, seriously. Some of you should be deeply ashamed of your infantile thinking.[/quote]

Do I believe my child is capable of making a mistake and inadvertently committing a violent crime? Yes.

However, I do firmly believe that my teenager would never steal a car, run down an innocent bicyclist, make a video of the entire event, including the lifeless body lying on the road, and post the footage on social media.

Sometimes things are black and white. There are no “extenuating circumstances” or explanations that can excuse these actions. [/quote]

+1 And I have years of working with teens, too. [/quote]

That does not mean imposing the death sentence would help.

It indicates the teens are either criminally insane or have severe mental health problems. They may require life long prison sentences, forced medical supervision  and never being allowed to drive again but does not mean they should be sentenced to death. [/quote]

They shouldn’t be “allowed” to drive again? Honestly, are you even on the same planet as the rest of us?

Newsflash: these people do not care about what you “allow” them to do. They stole some innocent persons car and then used it as a weapon to murder another innocent person. They don’t care what you might allow them to do. They do literally whatever they want, wherever they want, with absolutely no regard for human life or anything else.[/quote]

Technology makes it far easier for police/
Courts to enforce life long bans on driving and the teens would likely qualify.

Also -
It is very hard to steal cars for reckless joy rides from behind bars. Hopefully if the teens are prosecuted as adults, they will receive life sentences and psychiatric evaluations/ supervision.

Life long suspension of driving licenses

For driving crimes with aggravating factors: If a person is convicted of any of the above driving crimes while certain aggravating factors are present, then it will probably lead to a permanent suspension of their driver’s license. An aggravating factor is a condition that elevates the degree of a particular crime. Thus, the more serious that a driving incident is, the higher the chances are that one will receive a lifetime suspension of their driver’s license as punishment.
Some criminal offenses that could potentially result in a lifetime suspension of one’s driving privileges include when any the following factors are combined with the above crimes:
Driving while using a weapon or discharging a firearm;
Driving while under the influence of illegal drugs, controlled substances, and/or alcohol;
Driving with an invalid license (e.g., if a person’s license is suspended, revoked, or forged);
Driving in a reckless manner with a criminal record that contains the same or similar driving crimes; and
Driving or speeding in order to evade the police or other law enforcement officials.[/quote]

For dangerous or reckless driving: Dangerous and/or reckless driving is the fastest way for one to obtain a lifetime suspension of their driver’s license. In addition to violations that involve charges of DUIs and/or DWIs, some other offenses that will lead to a lifetime suspension of one’s driver’s license if convicted include:
* Vehicular assault;
* Reckless driving;
* Involuntary manslaughter;
* Vehicular manslaughter; and/or
* Aggravated vehicular homicide.

Many states have passed laws that require a driver's license to be suspended or revoked for life if a person behaves recklessly or in an irresponsible manner.Jan 5, 2022

https://www.legalmatch.com › article
Lifetime Suspension of Driver's License - LegalMatch[/quote]

I am sure that these youth would follow a lifetime ban on driving. Murdering is one thing, but violating a ban? Never happen.[/quote]

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