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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I always find it weird how American cyclists want there to be as many cyclists as there are in Amsterdam and talk about how wonderful biking is there, but then ignore the fact that cyclists there have real responsibilities and have to stop at red lights like everyone else. You get the same sort of discussion when people talk about Portuguese decriminalization of drugs - everyone talks about the decriminalization part, but few talk about the mandatory treatment part.

People want all the benefits but none of the responsibilities that are needed to make these things function.[/quote]

Nah, we also want the stop lights and road infrastructure updated to be more like the netherlands.  Where there is greater separation from cars, fewer stop lights overall, separate signals for cars from other modes of traffic THAT MAKES THE CAR THE LOWER PRIORITY FORM OF TRANSPORTATION LIKE IT SHOULD BE.[/quote]

But without the extensive tram, train and subway network.  So in other words, nothing at all like the Netherlands.[/quote]

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