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Per the head of school last year, they will offer seats in older grades if and only if the total number of students not returning (seniors plus attrition) exceeds something like 135 students.  [/quote]

I didn’t realize they offer any seats. Isn’t their position the curriculum is so advanced that they can’t backfill seats?
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It's that their teachers aren't up to the challenge. Because it's soooo haaaaaard to do what most schools in this country do routinely.[/quote]

At this point the BASIS Haterade club can't even figure out what they are mad at. Why do you care if BASIS adds 6th 7th 8th or no graders above 5th? This isn't about your kid not getting a slot because you seem angry at BASIS so obviously you wouldn't take it if offered. So what's your deal? Is it jealousy? You and yours spend a LOT of time on DCUM trying to convince parents who are at BASIS that what they know and think about the school doesn't matter. Based on the WL data, BASIS is getting harder to get into over time, not easier, so other than howling at the moon, what's in it for you? Why do you spend more time thinking and caring about BASIS than those who have kids there?  [/quote]

Because I call out BS when I see it. BASIS doesn't backfill because it's hard and they don't want to. That's the real reason. Plenty of schools across the country do it just fine, but not BASIS. [/quote]

You didn't answer the question. Why are you so invested here? Why do you care where they get their 650 seats from? This angers you why?[/quote]

Because I think letting one school shirk the harder stuff is bad for the system as a whole, and I think parents should know that BASIS' so-called "success" is founded on taking the easy path when they can get away with it.[/quote]

Parents whose kids are at the school sent them there to be challenged and get them the heck away from virtue signalers like you who care more about the press release and faux "equity" than a quality education. No on at BASIS or Latin sits around and laments the lack of socially promoted, grade levels behind, disruptive kids in their classes. Give it a break. [/quote]

I just don't think serving the easiest kids is a mark of quality, but you do you.[/quote]

You are totally right. BASIS is a terrible school that doesn't provide rigor. Everyone who is there and happy just doesn't understand the school as well as you do. Good point. Thank the lord you are on the case.

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I understand that people choose BASIS anyway. And I don't think it's a terrible school. But I do think its stats are not especially impressive in the context of its low at-risk percentage, high-SES student body, and shirking service of students with special needs and new arrivals. It's not that great, but has certain demographic manipulation policies that make it look better compared to schools that are serving different kids. That's not the same thing as quality or good teaching.

But hey why don't you go ahead and explain why the math PARCC scores are so low.  And why re-enrollment of African-American students is only 77%. We're all ears.

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Best scores in city at non-test in school. You would prefer...higher?  [/quote]

Yes, given that it is a high-SES school with very few at-risk kids and is constantly patting itself on the back for "rigor". BASIS' push-out policy (which you will deny exists) makes it functionally a test-in school after 5th grade, and a high-income one at that.

Why don't you tell us again why so many kids at BASIS do poorly on the math PARCC.[/quote]

Are you lying or just misinformed?

Here are 9th grade math proficiency scores after kids have been at Basis (a 100% lottery school) for a few years.  They are the highest in DC--even higher than selective schools such as Walls and Banneker. that cherry pick their students.

Basis:  77.36
Banneker: 66.56
Walls: 55.4
Latin: 30.11
DCI: 21.37[/quote]

Wow, those are great numbers for Basis.

These numbers also carry across for [b]African-Americans[/b] as well (after kids have been at Basis for a few years).  Basis beats every public school in DC for African-American scores including schools such as Walls and Banneker that get to select their student body.  In contrast, Basis is 100% lottery.

Basis is obviously a great choice for any academically motivated student.

Walls not so much, at least for math.  And Latin and DCI definitely not so much.

9th grade PARCC proficiency (Black/African-American only):

Basis

ELA >=90%
Math 61.54

Banneker

ELA 86.41
Math 54.37

Walls

ELA 84.21
Math 29.41

Latin

ELA 43.59
Math 5.13

DCI

ELA 42.19
Math 15.38[/quote]

Hon. Seriously. "After they've been at BASIS for a while"?  No. After the lower-performing students have left. Be real.[/quote]

Walls and Banneker don’t have low performing kids either. They aren’t admitted into those schools in the first place. [/quote]

Right. The 9th grade population at BASIS is shaped by the 5th grade lottery **but also** by BASIS' policy choices that motivate lower performers to leave. 5th grade at BASIS is not even really pure lottery, it's shaped by sibling preference and parent knowledge of BASIS' policies. By the time kids get to 9th, it's a very different group demographically than it was when those kids entered 5th grade.[/quote]

You make a lot of groundless assumptions.  You clearly don't have a kid at BASIS and no nothing about it.

The fact is that kids leave Basis for lots of different reasons, and[b] they don't backfill[/b].  They also don't socially promote.

As a result, BASIS has the best test scores of any public school in DC.  That is what the data show.

You want to focus on Black students?  Fine.  Black students at Basis have the highest test scores of any public school in DC as well.

If you don't like it, GTFU and send your kids to your in-bounds school or some failing charter.

Game over, lady.  Thanks for playing.

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Not backfilling is why Basis is what it is. There really isn’t a good answer as to why they don’t. Except the numbers, of course. [/quote]
There is a good answer, and it has been explained numerous times in these Basis threads.  They don't backfill, because they aren't allowed by DC laws to give placement tests.  They don't want to set kids up for failure, which is what would happen if they admitted kids who weren't going to be able to pass the comps for their grade level.  All of the Arizona Basis schools backfill, because they're allowed to give placement tests.

I would hope that you agree that in a school that doesn't socially promote, it would be a bad idea to set kids up for failure.  I feel sorry for the kids who would pass any placement tests and do fine in upper grades in Basis, but aren't given the chance due to DC laws.  If you're so passionate about backfilling, perhaps you should lobby the DC politicians to change the laws and allow placement tests to be administered for upper grades.[/quote]

Ah yes, because the anti-promotion policy is an immutable fact over which BASIS has no control whatsoever.

It's amazing the excuses people will accept.[/quote]

The anti-promotion policy is an immutable fact when you're delivering a rigorous education.  If a kid failed 6th grade, but you push that kid into 7th, then the kid will be set up for failure again.  Or, they'll cause the class to be watered down, so the other kids can't receive a rigorous education.

There are tons of options for parents who want social promotion and a non-rigorous education.  There are very few for advanced kids who need more.  Why are you determined to restrict people's school choice by turning Basis into a clone of all of the other DC schools?[/quote]

I'm not trying to shut down BASIS, I just think it's deliberately obtuse to argue that this isn't a policy choice BASIS is making. And it's a choice that influences their "performance" and their demographics.

I think it's disingenuous and self-serving to compare BASIS with other schools that have [b]Equitable Action Preference[/b], serve more SPED and at-risk kids, and backfill as if they're all the same and BASIS is just better. BASIS' performance is not very good relative to its demographics and its choice to shirk certain more difficult things that other schools willingly do. Those are just the facts of the matter, and they are why my children did not apply for BASIS. Saying "pure lottery" and "best test scores in the city" only shows your ignorance of data and deliberate, self-serving pretense that apples are the same as oranges.[/quote]

I keep seeing this from people pretending to be thoughtful and reasonable. You are all either disingenuous or ignorant. EA was first available LAST YEAR so it cannot have shown up on any data. It is also not available in DCPS.

I'm old enough to remember when trolls put in the effort.[/quote]

What on earth? Here is the list from MySchoolDC of Equitable Access schools. Why don't you put in an effort yourself.

**For SY23-24 Barnard Elementary School, Capitol Hill Montessori, DC Wildflower PCS – The Riverseed School, Dorothy I. Height Elementary School, E.L. Haynes PCS – Elementary School, E.L. Haynes PCS – High School, E.L. Haynes PCS – Middle School, Excel Academy, Garrison Elementary School, H.D. Cooke Elementary School, Inspired Teaching Demonstration PCS, John Lewis Elementary School, Latin American Montessori Bilingual (LAMB), Lee Montessori - Brookland, Lee Montessori - East End, MacArthur High School, Military Road Early Learning Center, Mundo Verde Bilingual PCS - Calle Ocho Campus, Mundo Verde Bilingual PCS - J.F. Cook Campus, School-Within-School, Stevens Early Learning Center, Two Rivers PCS at 4th Street, Two Rivers PCS at Young Elementary School, Two Rivers PCS at Young Middle School, Van Ness Elementary School, Washington Latin PCS – Cooper Campus, Washington Latin PCS – Middle School, Washington Latin PCS – Upper School, and Washington Yu Ying PCS will offer Equitable Access designated seats.

https://www.myschooldc.org/node/49311[/quote]

??? Your post doesn't contradict the one you're replying to. That list is, for the coming year and, from what I can see, all PCS. I want to joke that you wouldn't hack the parenting at BASIS.[/quote]

It was available for the previous school year as well. If you go here https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/aaron2446/viz/MSDCSeatsandWaitlistOfferData_draft/MSDCPublicDisplay, set the school year to 22-23, and then look in the drop-down menu of schools you'll see entries for schools that offered it in that year. Including some DCPS schools. [/quote]

Yes. That is what I said. It was available for one year and not reflected in any available data. Those DCPS schools are only in year 1.

Do better. [/quote]

It's reflected in the statistics about each school's at-risk preference. Is that not "available data"? And it will be available in the PARCC scores released this fall.

You're the one who said no DCPS schools, you do better.[/quote]

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