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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]How do these LACs compare to national universities? Is Williams HYPSM level? Are Bowdoin and Middlebury comperable to Duke and Northwestern? Or are they lower[/quote]

No, schools like Duke and Northwestern are simply on another tier above Bowdoin/Middlebury. Even Williams/Amherst would be right below Duke/Northwestern.[/quote]

Agree. More diversity, more options academically and socially. Great academic atmosphere due to presence of very serious graduate & professional students.

I cannot imagine anyone equating Middlebury or Bowdoin to National Universities ranked in the top 15 or 20. And the Wall street Journal/Times higher Education rating & ranking system appears to agree that the top ranked LACs (Amherst & Williams) rank at #22 and #23 when rated in a combined ranking of LACs and National Universities.

I am very familiar with all of the schools mentioned by the above quoted poster and know students at all of these schools currently and in the past. They are in two different leagues.

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You know the THE/WSJ methodology favors universities, right? One of their component scores is the amount of accredited programs. Another is perceived prestige by professionals, which obviously favors famous schools. There are numerous other combined LAC/university rankings out there with varying methodologies, and LACs almost always punch their weight relative to top universities. It's also not always Amherst/Williams.

Niche- Harvey Mudd, Pomona in the top 20
Money- Williams, Pomona, Bowdoin, Mudd in the top 20
Payscale- Harvey Mudd, Claremont McKenna, Williams in the top 20
Forbes- Williams in the top 20
CollegeFactual- Claremont McKenna, Bowdoin in the top 20
CollegeVine- Williams, Pomona, Bowdoin in the top 20
Wallethub- Swarthmore, Mudd, CMC in top 20 (though several top LACs were not ranked at all for whatever reason, including W/P/B. Every top university seems to be ranked, though)
CollegeConsensus (basically an aggregate)- Williams, Pomona, Amherst in top 20
AcademicInfluence- Swarthmore in top 20, Amherst 21 
CollegeRaptor- Pomona in top 20, Amherst 21
Intelligent- Amherst in top 20

I'm not going to try to argue which one is the most legitimate in its evaluation. You can look up the methodology for an individual website if you're curious. The point is, when said schools are ranked for anything you can compare an undergraduate experience against (class sizes, grad rates, endowment per capita, fellowship and grad school performance, etc), numerous LACs rival top universities. [/quote]

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