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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]1 person asked for whatever reason. Trust me. NO ONE cares.[b] OP kept going on about wanting her kid away from others with IEPs [/b]because it wouldn't be good for her so I think posters were trying to ascertain what is the diagnosis that would require this?. [/quote]

OP here. Feel free to quote where I said I did not want my child around other children with IEPs.[/quote]

On page 3 at 20:17 you said "My concern is around concentrating the highest needs students in one classroom and how that will affect my child."  Personally, I think it's fine to be concerned about that, but you have to expect that it will rub people the wrong way. Many people here are parents of students with high needs, and social and educational exclusion, stereotypes, and assumptions are a big part of our lives.[/quote]

You think it's reasonable to go from "My concern is around concentrating the highest needs students in one classroom and how that will affect my child." to "OP kept going on about wanting her kid away from others with IEPs "?

I don't think that's reasonable. In fact a natural consequence of the model that I am concerned about is that the children in the other classes are being kept away from childen with IEPs.

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Well, I wasn't the one accusing you of "going on about" it. But it does seem like you're concerned about something. Just trying to guess, is it that the inclusion classroom staff will be overwhelmed trying to meet the needs, or that the inclusion classroom atmosphere will be noisy and often disrupted, or... that your child might be the only child with an IEP in a non-inclusion classroom because all the other children with IEPs are in another room?  I really don't know. But clearly you think something about an inclusion class model is not going to work for your child.[/quote]

Have you never been concerned about your child or how well the school can serve them?

Also, you are using a term "inclusion class model" without clearly defining it. If the definition is that it is a class that includes children with IEPs and children without IEPs, then no that does not concern me. That's what I want for my child. What would concern me is if it were called an "inclusion class" but is in fact a class for children with IEPs, which is not what I could consider "inclusion". But I am new to this.

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Of course I have been concerned about it. I think most people are concerned about that at least some of the time.

"Inclusion" doesn't have a firm definition that I'm aware of, you'd have to look at Maryland state law for it. But generally, an inclusion class means that some of the children have IEPs and some of them don't, and grade level content is taught (as well as other levels as needed). The children with IEPs are being *included* in a classroom that is otherwise a general education classroom and teaches to grade level standards, but there's also an additional teacher and additional staff so that everything can be managed and all services on everyone's IEP can be provided. The "10:6" program at Garrison Elementary is an example of that type of classroom.

A class for only children with IEPs and not any children without IEPs would not be called an "inclusion" class. Some schools have classrooms that are only for students with IEPs, but they usually aren't just a room for everyone with an IEP no matter what the IEP is. That would be illegal because each child is entitled to the Least Restrictive Environment (LRE) in which they can access the curriculum, and lots of children with IEPs are just fine in gen-ed classrooms with a little support. So in DCPS, there are several different types of self-contained classroom and placement depends on what is on each child's IEP.  But there are also students with IEPs who are in the general education classrooms with push-in support (meaning aides or teachers who visit the classroom).

You might like to look at this DCPS summary, as an example.
https://dcps.dc.gov/page/academic-programs-and-inclusion[/quote]

So theoretically if there were a class with 18 children and 14 had IEPs, while the other classes in the grade had no children with IEPs, would that be considered an "inclusion" model?[/quote]

Yes, this is inclusion because the students with IEPs are still being educated with students who do not have IEPs. That is all LRE means. There is no ratio, there is no proportion, there is nothing guaranteeing students be divided in certain ways or that every class must have a student with an IEP. Whether you like the ratio or agree with the staffing does not matter. The school only has to legally prove that there are also students without IEPs also in the class. Inclusion is not transitive and does not need to apply to students without IEPs. Students without IEPs are not mandated to be educated with students who have IEPs, they can be educated with only students who do not have IEPs. So, yes, it is inclusion to have one class with a mix and three classes with none, because the one class is not only IEPs, it is a mix.[/quote]

Thank you. End of thread.[/quote]

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