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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I agree with all this and thank you for stating that so well PP.  I am a special educator that has worked in home school model classrooms AND my own child is currently a student in a home school model classroom (not on an IEP). There are a mix of levels in her classroom and definitely high achieving kids. There is a very strong teacher and a special educator that plugs into her classroom. The class is small and when the kids with IEP's are pulled into groups, she gets way more attention then she would in a regular classroom.  In fact, she gets math enrichment because the teacher has the time to do a group with the kids that are higher in math. What is really nice is that the kids with needs are already identified and getting support. There are actually not that many behaviors, nothing that seems out of the ordinary. As opposed to another classroom in the school where there is a child who is currently throwing chairs and its going to take a long process to get the supports needed. My child is thriving in the HSM classroom. I purposely requested this classroom because I knew the strength of the teacher and I believe in the model and I knew my child would benefit from the class size and attention.

[quote=Anonymous]I'm an HSM special ed teacher in the county.

To answer your most basic question: NO, not every school puts all students with IEPs in one classroom.

At the school where I teach, there is certainly an attempt to keep the numbers at or below 70/30. So 10 kids in a classroom, 3 might have IEPs (there are no 10-kid classrooms). 20 kids, 6 might have IEPs.

MOST children with IEPs in the home school model do not have disruptive behaviors. Most of them have some combo of a specific learning disability, ADHD, and (mild) autism.

Perhaps you are concerned that your child can't learn well in a chaotic classroom, or that they mimic the behaviors of others.

[b]Here's the thing: there are so many needy kids that even if your child was in a classroom where there were no other children with an IEP they'd likely be in a classroom with ESOL kids, kids with mental health issues, kids with chronic absenteeism, kids that have suffered trauma, etc, etc.[/b] OR, a kid with a behavioral disability that hasn't been identified yet or placed in the proper setting (it can take a long time). Don't worry about who the other kids will be in your child's classroom right now. Concentrate on getting your 3-year-old the services they need right now and when the time comes to start K be involved and advocate for your kid but remember; you may raise a stink about your kid being in the "HSM," class only to have them placed in a different room with 5 or more ESOL kids that speak no English! It's public school![/quote][/quote]

You are entirely missing the point.   ESOL kids are generally not a problem except for when the teacher doesn't speak the language and uses the other kids to translate.[/quote]

ESOL kids often take up a lot of a teacher's time. Yes, there are ESOL teachers but they have to support a lot of students just like the SPED teachers do. MANY ESOL kids are reading and writing below grade level. It can be challenging to communicate with their family. Many (not all) of their families have a lot of life factors making it harder for their kids to learn (food insecurity, moving frequently, living in small spaces with a lot of family making sleeping and studying hard, expectations for taking care of siblings and on and on).A lot of people chiming in here do not have classroom experience and it shows. [/quote]

You know many of us live in small spaces just fine.  Sorry but we choose to spend our money on private services as we wanted our child to have a future.  You seem to make excuses vs. spending that time helping those families.  If they are food insecure, start a food pantry.  And, while you are at it a clothing pantry too.  Help get their basic needs met.  Many of us do have the experience and many of us spend a small fortune on our kids because of people like you failing to provide what our kids need.  You sound lazy.  And, this isn't about ESOL students.  At my child's school, some of the nicest kids were the ESOL kids.  Same with their families.  [/quote]

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