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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]“Infants must be generally baptized in the parish that at least one of their parent's attend. For Baptisms at a different church, shrine, or oratory, a permission letter from your pastor may be needed 
The child's birth certificate should be available for presentation to the parish.”

This alone shows that at least one parent must be present at the baptism of a child, at least in the Catholic church. I don’t know of any pastor in non-Catholic churches that would baptize a  child without at least one parent present. This thread is based on atheist and anti-theist obsessive-hysteria, and should be used as an example of ignorance and misinformation that at times dominates this forum.

Do not use this forum to learn about religion or religious practices or religious people. [/quote]

First, there is no citation for this quote.
Second, there are a lot of Christin sects that are not catholic.
Third, there are many instances of catholic sects, priests, and individuals that do things that are not "officially" condoned by the formal Catholic church.

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https://www.catechismclass.com/catholic_baptism_requirements.php

https://getordained.org/blog/process-baptized-christian

Here are citations.

Where are the citations for claims made throughout the thread that churches/sects will baptize a kid without parental involvement?

[b]Citations directly from the sect/church, not news stories about randos doing weird stuff[/b]. [/quote]

As I have said, multiple times, I agree that it would be impossible to find a citation from any church/sect going on record saying that they do this.
The question was whether it ever happens, even when it is "randos doing weird stuff."  It happens.[/quote]

But you have not a single news story or cite that a (specifically) grandmother took a grandchild to church and had said grandchild baptized w/o permission?

But everyone else has to post citations, links, etc.

Grandparents have killed their grandchildren, sadly. A grandfather on a cruise ship held his granddaughter out of a cruise ship window and the child accidentally fell to her death!

A grandfather has been spared jail after he admitted killing his toddler granddaughter by dropping her off the side of a cruise ship. Salvatore Anello pleaded guilty to the negligent homicide of 18 month-old Chloe Wiegand at a court in San Juan, Puerto Rico, on Thursday.

Anello was sentenced to probation over the July 2019 incident, and will serve out his probation at his home in South Bend, Indiana. Family attorney Michael Winkelman said after Thursday’s hearing: ‘This decision was an incredibly difficult one for Sam and the family.

https://metro.co.uk/2020/10/15/granddad-spared-jail-after-admitting-dropping-toddler-to-her-death-from-cruise-ship-13430011/amp/

However, I don’t see evidence that grandpa usually holds a grandbaby out a cruise ship window and lets baby fall to her death.

There is no evidence given here to support any claims of grandparents doing as you claim. I have presented more evidence to not let grandpa hold baby on a cruise ship than you have presented of illicit grandchild baptism.
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Again, I think we are agreeing with each other and you provided an example of just what I am saying.

Can you cite an instance of a cruise line policy or guideline that specifically allows for grandparents to dangle babies off the side of a ship?  And it has to come directly from the cruise line, not a news article about some rando.

Would the absence of such an official rule or guideline from the cruise line lead you to conclude that no grandparent had ever dangled a baby off the side of a ship?[/quote]

Why are there no news stories of churches baptizing kids without parental permission? If it was a common occurrence, the church would be called out. That’s not how churches should operate.

Note the cruise ship didn’t dangle a baby out the window-grandpa did. Cruise lines don’t have to publish information for the passengers on how to not dangle your precious grandchildren out a window and let it fall to their death- because only a completely ridiculous and negligent grandfather would do such a thing. Most grandparents are careful and loving and safe with their grandchildren. [/quote]

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