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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Can all of you people who want war with Russia just go over there and join the fight instead of trying to drag the rest of us into this?[/quote]
For the tenth time, no one is going to be drafted to fight a NATO-Russia conflict. [/quote]

It would take an act of Congress.[/quote]

No one will be drafted because a NATO vs Russia war will quickly escalate to nuclear weapons and we will all be dead. And those that survive will envy the dead.

Why do countries have nuclear war? This board is full of people spouting “Putin is evil” and “Putin is hitler” rhetoric … um, if you believe that maybe DON’T let us blithely walk into war against him?

Or let me put it this way for the people who can’t seem to snap out of their WW2 fantasies …

If Hitler had access to thousands of thermonuclear weapons as he was surrounded and facing imminent defeat in his bunker in Berlin in 1945, what do you think he would have done?

Why risk this insanity?[/quote]
ok so if Putin wants to take over the US I guess we should let him or else he'll nuke the US and we'd be dead. Better to live under Putin's regime than be dead, right?[/quote]

[b]No - we save nuclear weapons ONLY for use as necessary to save the nation from an existential threat. So, if any country launched and invasion of the United States (laughably insane) AND if conventional forces couldn’t stop them, only then would use of nuclear weapons be on the table[/b].

What people need is EMPATHY with Russia. Not sympathy — empathy. Put yourself in their shoes. They are fighting a war on their border. If we push their backs against the wall with overwhelming them by conventional forces — that’s an existential threat to them - that’s precisely when they would use nuclear weapons. The war is way, way, way more important for Russia - it’s existential for them. We should be doing all we can to DEESCALATE this.

Because I really don’t want my family to die for Donbass.

Again, all you people with the overwrought Putin-as-Hitler tropes don’t seem to be asking the obvious question: what would Hitler have done with thousands of thermonuclear weapons? What would he have done if the German state was collapsing and he knew he would soon be killed and all he had to do was push a button and bring the whole temple down like Samson?

Think, people. [/quote]

That's not why we used them last time.

Do you know that?[/quote]

Yes, I’m well aware of that. We used two nuclear weapons on Japan in 1945 when neither the territorial integrity of the United States, or the survival of the U.S. government, were seriously threatened. We firebombed 67 Japanese cities and killed millions of Japanese civilians, in a war that was kicked off by losing about 3,000 U.S. military servicemen at Pearl Harbor (a territory of the USA at the time).

Should we have firebombed all those civilians to death? And then dropped nuclear weapons on them when we were no longer facing an existential threat (if indeed we ever were vis-a-vis Japan)? I don’t know. Here’s what the hippy peacenik Robert McNamara, former U.S. Secretary of Defense who also served in WW2 thought about it:

https://youtu.be/gekdt0QwFQw

In any case — we firebombed and nuked Japanese cities when we were under far less pressure and duress than one can easily see Russia will be under if NATO goes to war with them.

Remind me again why Putin is more saintly than Americans in 1945? Why wouldn’t he vaporize American cities as well? Especially if his back is against the wall or if he’s facing imminent defeat and death?

I don’t think there can be “victory” against a global nuclear power. Hence the need for diplomacy.

The kindergarten level of understanding being displayed by the war-mongers would be laughable if it didn’t risk getting us all killed.[/quote]

That's the world we live in. There are no decisionmakers on this board, including you. So you may as well quit your feckless handwringing and whining.[/quote]

This whole message board is feckless handwringing and whining, then.

Call your congressional representatives and tell them to push the State Dept to do it’s job and engage in diplomacy to end this conflict and—more importantly and above all—keep us out of a catastrophic war with Russia. [/quote]

The simplemindedness of this makes me sad. Ukraine is an independent nation. The US doesn’t get to dictate how much of its pre-2014 territories Ukraine should cede to Putin. The Ukrainians are fighting this war in the name of their sovereignty and rule of law. Last I checked there are no US or other NATO forces directly engaged in hostilities with Russia or its client states. And yet Biden and the State Department have built greater cohesiveness among our NATO slluesxwhile committing to a common defense of Europe and democratic principles. It’s something that China is watching carefully.

Ukraine has the upper hand in terms of the battlefield and a cessation of hostilities would benefit nobody other than Putin in terms of his domestic standing. [b]His army is on the brink of collapse[/b] with mobilized troops being used as little more than cannon fodder. They are being paid by their regional governments. They are being properly trained or equipped. They aren’t being fed. Giving Russiavany breathing room only ensures that it can attempt to reconstitute its forces with reserves to strengthen its hand after the adoring thaw. The idea Putin will accept terms less than all of the “annexed” lands in which he sponsored a sham referendum is incredibly naive. His biggest fear is losing Crimea snd its Black Sea warm weather ports and yet Ukraine is about to be able to sever all land routes needed to resupply Crimea. I wonder why you’re so intent on lending a helping hand to a cruel, murderous dictator? [/quote]

Yet here you are arguing they'll take Europe second, Asia third, US next and then what? maybe Mars?

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You do realize that all of the posts with which you might disagree are not from the same poster? Right?

And, by the way, Ukraine is Europe. Not to mention the Russian dispute with Japan over the Northern Territories (Kuril Islands). If you don’t think Putin hasn’t drawn up contingency plans for Finland, Transnistra (Molodova) and the Baltics then you’re not very good at this. Putin has been Madeline in the affairs of the former Yugoslavia for years — particularly Serbia and Montenegro — and has allied himself with Orban and far right factions in Hungary, which provides a European base of operations for the SVU. Putin has backed a multitude of the anti-democracy far-right movements throughout Europe. Being a glib smartsss doesn’t alter the facts.[/quote]

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