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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I can't wrap my mind around this. If we commit to the Creed that "all those who believe in God shall not perish but have eternal life," what happens to those who are not Baptized? I guess that is the whole basis for proselytizing, to make sure everyone can go to heaven, right? But if I have problem believing that God is so vengeful and would really fault babies for their parents' decisions, then it seems hypocritical to baptize my child. I don't want to commit to something in a ceremony that I don't fully endorse.

Where does that leave me? Anyone else struggle with this?[/quote]

My spouse is Catholic and insisted our kid be baptized. I went along with it because I see no real harm in it.  The kid is an adult now and is not at all religious.  Frankly, I don't see what  difference it makes one way or the other.  [/quote]

It doesn't make any difference to you and it had no effect - or not the desired one - on your kid.  But it meant something to your wife at the time.  In her mind, the kid would've gone to heaven if it died while still a kid.[/quote]

Again, the kid doesn't get into heaven.  Something called the soul does.  But you are right, maybe the point is for the living to have comfort that baptism gets their loved ones into heaven regardless of whether it does or not.[/quote]

As I understand it, baptism is just symbolic anyway.  Washing away the "sins."  Like a helpless baby (who can't consent to this ritual) has any sins. [/quote]

The Catholic Church at least certainly does not consider baptism symbolic. Original sin is quite serious in the Catholic Church.[/quote]

If it is not symbolic, what are the implications of not being baptized?[/quote]

For the Catholic Church, the implication is not going to heaven.

How is this not obvious? This is the core tenet of Catholicism, at least. [/quote]

Other people who say they are Catholic on this thread have said differently.

Are you saying that Catholicism maintains that the only people in heaven are those who have been baptized?[/quote]

Yes. If that is not true, then what is the significance of being saved? What is the purpose of telling anyone to accept Jesus? What is the relevance of salvation? Why should I want to be saved? [/quote]

You sound like an obstinate adolescent asking why anyone would read difficult books if they weren’t being graded on them.  
I think that from a young age, our school system teaches kids that the main purpose of life is to jump through hoops and get to some other, better thing.  And this continues on through our careers and raising our own children.  You are trying to apply this perspective to religion, but it doesn’t work.  
People are called to be so much more than obedient rule-followers.  
The purpose of accepting God is not to jump through a hoop to get to Heaven.  It is to have the love of God in your life now.  [/quote]

What is your religious background? Are you Christian? You and PP simply have different beliefs. And I would argue that your interpretation is not aligned with Catholics, mainline protestants, and fundamentalist Protestants. These groups definitely teach that salvation through Christ is the only way to be in the presence of God after death (in Heaven). "Going to Heaven" is definitely the main goal for Christians. That is the whole reason Jesus was sacrificed on the cross.[/quote]

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