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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]There is no question that for [i]the undergraduate student of the liberal arts and sciences[/i], the College of William and Mary offers the most rigorous, highest quality education of any public university in the country.  [/quote]
Perhaps for liberal arts, but definitely not for natural sciences or even social sciences. Berkeley, UNC, and Michigan outdo's the Virginia publics by far. [/quote]

[b]Liberal arts includes natural sciences and social sciences.[/b][/quote]

+1  W&M has top-notch undergraduate teaching in liberal arts and sciences.  With only 6000 undergrads and a tiny handful of grad programs,  it's  not going to compare with top-tier research 1 universities in terms of research productivity etc., but there's no public school like it for quality of undergrad academics.  Each year, we regularly employ 20-30 interns/recent grads from many different colleges (in the region and throughout the US) and W&M students--in the social and natural sciences-- are reliably among the very strongest--especially in research/data analysis/writing. I'm angling for my kids to apply there.
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[quote]There is no question that for the undergraduate student of the liberal arts and sciences, the College of William and Mary offers the [b]most rigorous[/b], highest quality education of any public university in the country.
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W&M is not more rigorous than Berkeley. Top students at Berkeley can take classes that don't even exist at W&M.

Higher quality? You could argue that, due to smaller classes and more accessible professors. Or you could argue against that, considering the professors at Berkeley are Nobel laureates and world-renowned, and the professors at W&M are very much not that and are under-paid if anything. [/quote]

Berkeley and W&M are two completely different schools working on two different models.  I'm not sure how anyone could know which is more rigorous unless they did a time spent and result achieved study on each, and I'm pretty sure that doesn't exist.  What I do know is that of all the national public universities, W&M and Berkeley are the top two undergraduate institutions for producing PhDs on a per capita basis, and by some distance.  Since the top private undergraduate national universities for producing PhDs on a per capita basis are Caltech, MIT, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and Stanford, I would say this is evidence that both Berkeley and W&M are relatively rigorous.[/quote]

William and Mary gets overlooked frequently these days, perhaps because it is so unlike almost all other public schools, but I think Virginia is lucky to have it.  [/quote]

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