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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Brown has really benefitted from being in the Ivy League. It was always thought of as perhaps the poorest of the Ivy League schools. The halo effect of the Ivy League has helped them with admissions and they have made up some ground on building up their endowment.[/quote] You are misinformed, and you did not read even this thread, let alone do research, before you saw fit to comment. The post at 06/29/2021 12:13 has an article from the NY Times completely disproving your from-the-backside theory.[/quote] That boost in admissions was the product of John F. Kennedy, Jr. It was pre-USNWR. I don't know how he ended up at Brown, but I don't think he was the best student and other schools like Harvard (where his father and sister matriculated) may not have been an option. https://pagesix.com/2017/10/09/jackie-worked-hard-to-keep-jfk-jr-from-flunking-college-classes/ My comment was not specifically on the number of applicants to Brown in 1983. I was about the schools financial situation and how it was viewed vs. the other Ivy League schools. [/quote] Spin, makes excuses and backpedal if you must, but not only do you have no evidence for your claims of either post, that article directly contradicts your original claim and you know it. Just admit you were wrong. It's not hard to do.[/quote] Wow. If you throw a rock into a pack of wild dogs, the one you hit will always yelp. You can go on the attack like a page out of the Trump playbook, but all of this stuff is documented: Regarding John F. Kennedy Jr. and its impact on Brown, see pp. 136-138 in "America's Reluctant Prince: The Life of John F. Kennedy Jr." by Steven Gillon "The application material made public in 2017 did not include his transcripts from Collegiate and Andover or his SAT scores. But it is unlikely that scores and grades would have mattered. Brown needed John more than he needed Brown." "When word had spread that John was on campus, the University boasted a record number of applications . . . " "There can be little doubt that the buzz generated by John's admission helped boost the school's profile and popularity. Brown's decision to recruit and admit John despite his lackluster academic record accomplished exactly what the university had planned." "Years later, Rogers bragged that in his two decades as admissions director, his greatest contribution was 'the the admission and matriculation of John.' He observed correctly that 'people began to talk about John'." Regarding Brown's finances, it remains the Ivy with the lowest endowment despite having the best endowment performance in recent years. You can see this information on Wikipedia. Brown is not a very large school, but it is still larger than either Dartmouth or Princeton, and it is not that much smaller than Yale. On a per student basis, those schools have endowments that are 7.7X to 2.1X as large as Brown's endowment. Cornell has a lower endowment per student, but it has historically been more of a research university, and it has used research to bolster its finances. The period I referred when the university was not on solid financial footing is even documented on Brown's website. See the description of President Hornig's tenure: "His years at Brown were not easy. The University was running significant deficits when he began as president, the national economy was troubled, and the energy crisis of the early 1970s was worsening an already difficult time. Hornig made very difficult decisions, reducing University expenditures by 15 percent, developing a three-year austerity plan, even reducing the size of the faculty. Difficult as the work was, Hornig could see its eventual success. When he resigned in 1975 (serving through the 1975-76 academic year), he had reduced the annual deficit from $4.1 million in 1970-71 to $636,000."[/quote]
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