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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]It is true. There are some schools that are elite enough that you can use that brand to your advantage when you leave (Harvard) but the reality is, all those rigorous application processes do is allow the schools to discriminate in favor of the genteel, inbred elites, while letting a few plebeians in who know their place: to increase test scores, to feel inferior to the rich kids, and, to one day be the brainpower behind (but never the leadership of) major institutions in this country. . I know, I know, you will say, but look at Mr. Free Lunch Program, he is a CEO. But the dirty secret of these universities is he would have been just as successful at a state u as an elite one, because that kind of drive is unstoppable. He used them and they used him to keep the myth alive that elite Universities are worth it for the kind of people who need to take out college loans. Remeber that for the supperrich, of course, it matters not a bit where they send their kids. Will Blue Ivy be any less powerful if she attends Stanford vs Hamilton?[/quote] He used everyone and they used him. That is life. If you can do it. Could someone from a lower school make it over Harvard? Of course. Happens every day. But Harvard opens more doors and creates more options. What you do with those options is up to the student. [b]But if you can afford it -- more options is better than less.[/b][/quote Yes, a good fraction of fortune 500 CEOs did not graduate from elite colleges, proving that one can be successful regardless of his educational background. But the percentage of CEO Ivy grads far exceed the ratio of Ivy grads among all college grads. What makes a person CEO material is a combination of intelligence, education, life experience, family wealth, and plain luck. Not knowing whether your child has "the right stuff", where would you send him for the best odds if you can afford it?[/quote] You list all the things that make a person CEO material but fail to consider whether being an Ivy League grad is a cause or an effect. The people that are CEOs now would have graduated from the Ivy’s when the average student was much more likely to have all of the other advantages you list going in than they are now. The significant percentage of lower income and “first gen” students is relatively new. To paraphrase Molly Ivins re: George Bush, in the past, most of the students were born on third base and you’re acting like they hit a triple. The studies that show that first gen students are benefitted by attendance at elite colleges were done in the old days, when those students were anomalies, surrounded by students from privileged backgrounds that could provide the social and professional connections that they lacked. What happens when that first gen student is surrounded by more first gen students? You’re relying upon the vaunted alumni network, you say? What if the alumni are disaffected because their kid didn’t get in? We’re about to find out if the Ivy’s really provide any additional value or whether their “elite” status was previously the result of admitting people who were “elite” to begin with (and not just in terms of intelligence). [/quote]
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